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Posted on 10/26/23 at 3:32 pm
Posted by tigersham
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2023
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Posted on 10/26/23 at 3:32 pm
Warning: long read

I know most of us have our attention on the journey to being the first two loss team in the CFP. (It’s happening) However, year 2 of the McMahon era kicks off on Nov 6 so I thought I'd do a little preview for tiger fans who may not have been keeping up with the hoops team. As a disclaimer, I’m not “Team Wade” or “Team McMahon,” I'm just rooting for my team to get back to winning and I’m going to try to be as realistic as possible in this preview. After watching our team go 2-16 in conference play last year, there is still plenty to be excited about for this new season. The SEC media has picked this team to finish second to last in the conference which is very reasonable. However, our ceiling could be much higher, and I'll explain why here soon.



Notable Players Lost:
KJ Williams (17.7 ppg, NBA Draft)
Adam Miller (11.5 ppg, Transfer, Arizona State)
Cam Hayes (8.1 ppg, Transfer, East Carolina)
Justice Hill (5.6 ppg, Transfer, Loyola Marymount)
Shawn Phillips Jr (1.4 ppg, Transfer, Arizona State)
Parker Edwards (LSU Legend)

To quickly talk about the players lost: Of this list the most important is KJ Williams of course. The efficient all 2nd team SEC center was our highest scorer in 60% of games played last year, so replacing his production will be a challenge for us. Adam Miller was definitely the biggest disappointment after all the hype he was getting in the offseason. While being our second highest scorer, he was highly inefficient and did not meet expectations of being that star guard/sharpshooter we needed. Cam Hayes and Justice Hill played big roles but were just not SEC level guards in hindsight. The freshman Shawn Phillips definitely showed flashes of being a good rim protector in the future, however we were unfortunately just unable to keep him. No words needed for the GOAT Parker Edwards. If you know you know.



Notable Players Gained:
Jalen Cook (19.9 ppg, Transfer, Tulane)
Jordan Wright (10.6, Transfer, Vanderbilt)
Will Baker (13.6 ppg, Transfer, Nevada)
Daimion Collins (1.9 ppg, Transfer, Kentucky)
Carlos Stewart (15.2 ppg, Transfer, Santa Clara)
Corey Chest (Freshman 4 Star F)

McMahon has done a very good job of revamping this roster for year 2, adding needed scoring, defense, and most importantly experience. After such lackluster guard play last year, we have much to look forward to in this year’s backcourt. We have to start off with LSU’s prize pull of the transfer portal, Jalen Cook. Cook was receiving interest from teams like Kansas, Gonzaga, Alabama, Auburn and more and we still got him to return home to LSU. Cook can flat out score the rock at all three levels and can also be a facilitator when needed. He was recruited by Will Wade to be an SEC guard, and I think there will be no question on if his game will translate over into the SEC. The big question is whether or not he will be able to get a waiver to play for this upcoming season. McMahon has stated plenty of times that he thinks Cook’s case for a waiver is unique and a good one, so we’ll just have to wait until the NCAA feels like making a decision. Hopefully it comes before the start of the season because Cook is the biggest factor in just how much LSU will be able to win this year.

Bringing home two more Baton Rouge natives in Jordan Wright and Carlos Stewart should also not be overlooked. Jordan and Carlos were both teammates at one time right here in Baton Rouge at the Dunham School. Jordan was a big contributor for last year’s Vanderbilt team that just missed the NCAA tournament after a late season surge. Adding a veteran and three level scorer from the SEC is big for us after last year’s scoring woes. Wright can also get after it defensively. Last year he had a total of 139 steals and 34 blocks by the end of the season. Adding a four-year conference player that’s capable of giving you 10+ points a night is a big win in my book. Carlos Stewart is another very skilled guard. He excels at creating his own shots and pulling up off the dribble. Another guy that prides himself in playing defense and can handle the rock when needed. Like all mid-major transfers, we have to hope that his skillset will transfer over into the SEC, but I think Stewart coming off the bench with Hannibal to replace Cook and Wright could be a very good rotation. One of the biggest themes of success in college basketball is good guard play, and last year it was just flat out horrible. We should see a substantial jump in quality of guard play this year with our newcomers.

Now for our rotation at forward. Mwani Wilkinson is just a tried-and-true tiger. He’s been through all the ups and down of this program for the last four years and has decided to stick it out. There is no doubt we missed Wilkinson’s 3&D presence last year after he went down. He will surely be a big part of our rotation and if he doesn’t start, I’m sure he will find his way into the closing lineup because of his defense and ability to hit shots. For Tyrell Ward, I’m expecting a huge leap in year 2. In fact, to me, one of the most exciting things about the offseason was being able to retain both Tyrell Ward and Jalen Reed, two top 100 players in last year’s recruiting class. It took a little time for McMahon to start playing Ward last year, but there were times when he displayed some raw NBA talent. From the jumpshot, to being able to handle the ball as a wing, to the athleticism, it’s safe to say that Ward will be a big part of our program moving forward. Jalen Reed is another player with a lot of potential. Reed is a mismatch at the 4 spot, being able to handle the ball and blow by defenders the way he does. He is also able to stretch the floor for us. Next up is Derek Fountain. Every team needs that one reliable glue guy and Fountain will be that for us. He proved last year to have a great motor and is a terrific rebounder. He does the dirty work and will be pivotal in our rotation. Corey Chest, the 4-star freshman, is very athletic however I’m not sure just how much he will play in year one. He may need some time to develop before he sees major action.

And now our two bigs. Will Baker, the transfer from Nevada, will be a nice offensive addition and will provide a cushion for the loss of KJ Williams when it comes to scoring. McMahon loves his scoring big men and I think Baker fits right in the system. However, I would love to see Baker make a jump defensively and in his rebounding numbers here at LSU. The addition of Damion Collins from Kentucky is one at the top of my list. It was a nice surprise when it was announced over the summer that the former McDonald’s All-American was transferring to LSU. While his stats may not scream star, it is important to note that Collins found himself stuck on the bench behind Oscar Tshiebwe for the last two years. Tshiebwe has been one of the nation’s most dominant big men in recent years. Collins has raw five-star talent and I’d recommend going to watch some of his highlights. The freak athlete will be a great rim-protector for us, and if he can keep developing his jumpshot, then watch out.

**** See the first reply for the second part.
This post was edited on 10/26/23 at 3:34 pm
Posted by tigersham
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2023
154 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 3:32 pm to
MY Projected Starting Lineup
Don’t put too much stock into this lineup prediction. I’m not really sure how many players McMahon plans to play in his rotations this year, but this would be my guess as to some sort of a starting lineup:

G Jalen Cook
G Jordan Wright
F Tyrell Ward
F Derek Fountain
C Will Baker

Off the Bench:
G Trae Hannibal
G Carlos Stewart
F Mwani Wilkinson
F Jalen Reed
C Daimion Collins

I think Mwani will get the chance to start in many games and there may also be games where Collins gets the start over Baker. I just think Baker opens up the offense a little more for us. I also wouldn’t be surprised to see both of them on the court at the same time in a bigger lineup.



Schedule:
The schedule is something that I am really excited about for this year. The past few years, Will Wade scheduled some pretty boring and easy non-conference schedules for our teams, and last year was no different for McMahon’s first year. However, this year, it seems like McMahon is taking a step in the right direction of scheduling harder non-conference games. Some notable non-conference games we’ll be playing in this year:

Charleston Classic Tournament:
Dayton - Nov 16
St John’s or North Texas- Nov. 17
TBA- Nov. 18

Syracuse - Nov 28
Kansas State – Dec 9
#18 Texas- Dec 16

Dayton will most likely be the #1 team in the Atlantic 10 conference and will be in the NCAA tournament this year. It will definitely be a challenge. I’m not too sure how good Syracuse will be this year after the retirement of Boeheim, however they always have players and are projected to finish middle of the ACC. This could be another potential quad 1 win for the tigers. Kansas State is just getting off of an elite eight run. They’ve lost some players from last year’s team, but after the whole debacle in the Cayman Islands tourney, I’d love to have another shot at them. They have reloaded in the offseason and I’m sure they will be ranked by the time we play them. Texas is ranked preseason #18 and it will be a neutral game. Definitely one circled on the calendar.

The SEC schedule is stacked once again. I expect the SEC to be even more competitive than last year and as a conference, we will definitely be putting a good number of teams in the tournament this year. I think we will be competing with the Big East this year for the title of best conference in America. Some of the notable SEC matchups this year (with their current rankings):

#15 Texas A&M – Jan 6
Auburn – Jan 13
#15 Texas A&M – Jan 16
#24 Alabama _ Jan 17
#14 Arkansas – Feb 3
#9 Tennessee – Feb 7
#24 Alabama – Feb 10
#16 Kentucky – Feb 21
#14 Arkansas – Mar 6
Missouri – Mar 9

Last year was definitely hard to watch. But looking back in hindsight, we ended up putting way too much stock into a roster that just wasn’t SEC caliber at all. Best case scenario for this year, if Jalen Cook is able to get a waiver, I wouldn’t be surprised to see this team as a lower to middle of the pack SEC team with a NIT appearance. I think that is the most realistic expectation and there’s no reason we should be disappointed in that. To all of my sunshine pumpers, some good news: I believe that our schedule is good enough to where if we can rack up some good wins and finish as a middle of the pack SEC team, we could possibly sneak into the tournament. Grabbing some wins against teams like Dayton, Kansas State and Texas in the OOC schedule would be a great start in building our resume. With this non-conference schedule, we should be able to gauge where we are before we get into SEC. This team, skill level and experience wise, is a step above last years and we can only improve after finishing with 2 conference wins in the previous season.

Another quick note: If you haven’t seen what McMahon is doing on the recruiting front for this cycle, I’d highly suggest you go check out the recruiting board. It’s looking like LSU will finish with a top 15 (possibly top 10) class. It seems McMahon has finally found his footing in recruiting after finally getting out of the shadows of possible NCAA sanctions. I’m one of the biggest Wade lovers there are, but we have to give McMahon a chance. He has our future looking bright with these recruits.

Here’s to a great year 2 under McMahon!
Posted by O
Mandeville
Member since Oct 2011
6459 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 3:36 pm to
Thanks for the great write up!
Posted by saint tiger225
San Diego
Member since Jan 2011
35408 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 3:37 pm to


Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
68332 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 3:41 pm to
quote:

Notable Players Gained:
Jalen Cook (19.9 ppg, Transfer, Tulane)


About that...gotta wait out the NCAA still on this one unfortunately.
Posted by OlDirtyTiger7
Member since Sep 2017
188 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 3:41 pm to
Has The General been reinstated as our coach? If not, I don't care
Posted by Aforem7
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
876 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 3:42 pm to
quote:

Has The General been reinstated as our coach? If not, I don't care


So you're a Will Wade fan, not an LSU basketball fan?
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
66443 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 3:44 pm to
Boot up!

I’m here for the turn around.
Posted by OlDirtyTiger7
Member since Sep 2017
188 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 3:47 pm to
I support Will Wade BECAUSE I'm an LSU basketball fan.
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
Quantico
Member since May 2013
8973 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 3:51 pm to
quote:

I support Will Wade BECAUSE I'm an LSU basketball fan.


That dog don't hunt.

I love Wade as much as the next guy but saying that you won't pay attention unless will wade is the coach is definitely not the attitude of an actual LSU basketball fan.

I wish we still had Wade, just like you, but I'm not gonna shite on McMahon because of it. Now if the product looks just like last year then we will have to reassess but with is recruiting success for next year, I think he has earned a chance to prove himself now that he has escaped the shadow of the looming sanctions.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28370 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 3:51 pm to
quote:

MY Projected Starting Lineup
Don’t put too much stock into this lineup prediction. I’m not really sure how many players McMahon plans to play in his rotations this year, but this would be my guess as to some sort of a starting lineup:

G Jalen Cook
G Jordan Wright
F Tyrell Ward
F Derek Fountain
C Will Baker


If Cook is out, I think Stewart steps in at the primary ball handler. The only other option there is Hannibal (can't shoot) or Williams (Freshman). If Cook is in, I wonder if they wouldn't start Stewart at the SG spot. I like Wright. He has more size. But Stewart is probably the better scorer.

I could definitely see Fountain starting. He's reliable. But I wouldn't be surprised to see Collins start at the 4. LSU simply doesn't have another player as athletic as him.

quote:

Will Wade scheduled some pretty boring and easy non-conference schedules for our teams,


Wade's schedules often lacked "name brand" teams that piqued the interest of casual fans. BU they often were meticulously constructed to help LSU's RPI (later NET) rating. Last year's non-conf. schedule more or less sucked.

This is a much more intriguing schedule. The Charleston tournament could have a sneaky good field. Like you said, Dayton is picked to win the A-10. Should LSU somehow win that game they will likely play St. John's who is expected to be MUCH better with Rick Pitino as HC. Somehow win those two and you likely find Houston in the finals. It will also be nice to get a known opponent to come to the PMAC with K-State.

quote:

I expect the SEC to be even more competitive than last year and as a conference,


It may be more competitive. But I don't know if it will be as good as last year. I don't know if there are any dominant teams in the league (like Alabama was last season)

My personal O/U is 9 non-conf. wins and 7 SEC wins. If the over hits on both LSU has a shot at the NCAAT.
Posted by WhoGeaux
Member since Apr 2011
4442 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 3:55 pm to
It was a great off season to improve season ticket location for damn sure
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
37073 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 3:57 pm to
quote:

My personal O/U is 9 non-conf. wins and 7 SEC wins
I'll have what you're having.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
30307 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 4:06 pm to
Well done!
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
30307 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 4:08 pm to
quote:

quote:

My personal O/U is 9 non-conf. wins and 7 SEC wins

I'll have what you're having.




Driz, my friend.

Posted by pbtiger
Member since Oct 2009
161 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 4:11 pm to
Awesome write up. Yes last year was rough but:
- Had to build a team from scratch (zero players)
- Had NCAA violations “cloud”
- Adam miller sucked and other guards did not play well enough
- Mawani was hurt

Year 2:
- Good signing class including transfers. Guard play will be better especially if JC is eligible
- Recruiting for year 3 is off to a great start

Loved Will Wade but he is not coming back. Support LSU Basketball
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
11983 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 4:30 pm to
quote:

So you're a Will Wade fan, not an LSU basketball fan?


Didn't have much Basketball until Wade took command.
So far, haven't had much since.
Maybe this will be the year Woody's plan coms to fruition.
Posted by SouthOfSouth
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2008
43456 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 4:47 pm to
MY BODY IS READY!!!!!!!!
Posted by 1984Tiger
North Carolina
Member since Apr 2006
7277 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 4:50 pm to
quote:

Didn't have much Basketball until Wade took command.

This is just dumb
Posted by lsu4life77
Member since Jun 2010
997 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 4:56 pm to
You sure are a true warrior and die hard fan. Hope you continue supporting CMM till he is fired!
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