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re: Mainieri says hitting coach is overrated

Posted on 6/13/12 at 9:44 am to
Posted by Mudminnow
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2004
34150 posts
Posted on 6/13/12 at 9:44 am to
Has Javi been given a pink slip yet?
Posted by LSUDAN1
Member since Oct 2010
8987 posts
Posted on 6/13/12 at 9:45 am to
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What is our hitting philosophy? Please say something other than "Low Tee Drill".


Spray pop flies all over the field or hit into double plays.
This post was edited on 6/13/12 at 9:46 am
Posted by Tegre
Baton Rouge, La.
Member since Jan 2008
1108 posts
Posted on 6/13/12 at 9:46 am to
I have supported CPM for a long time but this is the last straw for me.I thought he made a number of bad coaching decisions this season but this attempt to support sanchez is just unbelievably ridiculous and nonsensical .If he doesn't can sanchez its time for PM to hit the road.
Posted by LSU1018
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2007
7222 posts
Posted on 6/13/12 at 9:48 am to
Okay, how about we look at Florida's starters? If we combined the two teams, how many of our guys would start? I just think we need to recruit better is all I'm saying. When you have an outfield made up of Leon Landry, Jared Mitchell, and Mahtook. Then you have to go to an outfield with what we had this year, the talent is not even close.

I would also say that most head coaches in College baseball coach hitting to their players as much if not more than the hitting coach. This is not football where they just give the reigns to the coordinator.
Posted by Joe Joe Joe
Givin' Him the Business
Member since Oct 2007
5745 posts
Posted on 6/13/12 at 9:52 am to
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I just think we need to recruit better is all I'm saying.

Which falls directly on Mainieri and now, indirectly, on Sanchez. So if we have a fundamental evaluation problem with our head coach, then I'm even more concerned than I previously was.
Posted by Mudminnow
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2004
34150 posts
Posted on 6/13/12 at 9:52 am to
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I have supported CPM for a long time but this is the last straw for me.I thought he made a number of bad coaching decisions this season but this attempt to support sanchez is just unbelievably ridiculous and nonsensical


Maybe the administration is unaware of the fans feelings towards PM and Javi. Please email Joe Alleva alleva@lsu.edu
This post was edited on 6/13/12 at 9:58 am
Posted by CajunFootball
Jackson, Mississippi
Member since Oct 2010
19432 posts
Posted on 6/13/12 at 9:52 am to
PM changed his approach to the game when they changed the bat. He now focuses on small ball more then ever and that's where you lose a lot of the talent. He wants good defenders Nola/Hanover/Ross knowning they will struggle at the plate to hit .300
Posted by LSU1018
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2007
7222 posts
Posted on 6/13/12 at 9:55 am to
I think in baseball and basketball, it falls much more on the head coaches shoulders whether we are winning or losing. I'm not saying that Javi should stay or go, I'm just stating that by firing him will not get rid of the issue IMO.
Posted by Mudminnow
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2004
34150 posts
Posted on 6/13/12 at 9:56 am to
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He wants good defenders Nola/Hanover/Ross knowning they will struggle at the plate to hit .300


Heck Arby Fields would have gotten to a couple of balls in the Super Regionals that fell as base hits.

Posted by Joe Joe Joe
Givin' Him the Business
Member since Oct 2007
5745 posts
Posted on 6/13/12 at 9:57 am to
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PM changed his approach to the game when they changed the bat. He now focuses on small ball more then ever and that's where you lose a lot of the talent.

If he changed his approach, why did Grewe (and by extension, Mainieri) go out and recruit a bunch of slow guys that project (although apparently have not developed) as power hitters in college? Please identify the small ball aspects of our offensive philosophy, approach and talent.
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He wants good defenders Nola/Hanover/Ross knowning they will struggle at the plate to hit .300

Hanover and Nola were recruited and with the program before any of those bat changes ever existed. And your third example, Ross, is one of the few guys you can legitimately point to and say he improved at the plate this year. Not helping your argument.
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
70395 posts
Posted on 6/13/12 at 9:57 am to
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PM changed his approach to the game when they changed the bat. He now focuses on small ball more then ever and that's where you lose a lot of the talent. He wants good defenders Nola/Hanover/Ross knowning they will struggle at the plate to hit .300

That must be why we had such great defenders in the outfield.
Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 6/13/12 at 9:59 am to
Was the bat changes so drastic that he figured the ball would never be hit into the outfield?

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wants good defenders Nola/Hanover/Ross knowning they will struggle at the plate to hit .300


What are you trying to say? All came before the bat change and both Hanover and Nola were starters before bat change.
Posted by LsuTool
Member since Oct 2009
34855 posts
Posted on 6/13/12 at 10:00 am to
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He wants good defenders Nola/Hanover/Ross knowning they will struggle at the plate to hit .300


nola and hanover were here before the bats changed and Ross will not struggle to hit .300

I get what your saying but those are bad examples.

I dont neccesarily agree though, if you think PM is passing on bigger better hitters to sign smaller guys that dont hit as well, that's pretty crazy. We just signed Gallo, who as beleived to be the most powerfull HS bat in the nation and Alex Bregman who set the new mexico record for HRs in a season at 17, as a JR in HS.

We just haven't recruited good enough and haven't developed hitters good enough, IMO.
This post was edited on 6/13/12 at 10:01 am
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 6/13/12 at 10:02 am to
How bad is university hurting recruiting?
With changes to out of state players and how much they would have to pay and what not?

Sure PM and Javi job is to develop what they recruit but has that limited who and where they can recruit?
Posted by Mudminnow
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2004
34150 posts
Posted on 6/13/12 at 10:03 am to
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haven't developed hitters good enough


Thats the key! This is friggen LSU! One of the top baseball programs in the country. Beautiful facility which always leads the nation in attendance. Talent wants to come here. I have a hard time believing LSU can only pick up scraps left behind by Stony Brook and other traditional non baseball powerhouses.
Posted by ehidal1
Chief Boot Knocka
Member since Dec 2007
37137 posts
Posted on 6/13/12 at 10:05 am to
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We just haven't recruited good enough and haven't developed hitters good enough, IMO

Agreed. Our hitters don't seem to be developing. You can easily point to JaCoby and Tyler as prime examples. We don't seem to adjust well at the plate as the count progresses.
Posted by Joe Joe Joe
Givin' Him the Business
Member since Oct 2007
5745 posts
Posted on 6/13/12 at 10:06 am to
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How bad is university hurting recruiting?
With changes to out of state players and how much they would have to pay and what not?

Out of state tuition, according to Princeton Review:

Florida: $27,933
South Carolina: $25,952
LSU: $17,566
Texas: $32,379
Arkansas: $16,320
Posted by Jay Quest
Once removed from Massachusetts
Member since Nov 2009
9804 posts
Posted on 6/13/12 at 10:12 am to
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That must be why we had such great defenders in the outfield.

We started what is arguably the least athletic outfield in LSU history during the SB series.
Posted by LsuTool
Member since Oct 2009
34855 posts
Posted on 6/13/12 at 10:14 am to
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We started what is arguably the least athletic outfield in LSU history during the SB series


that OF was a 3 ring circus compared to the leon landry, mahtook ,and mitchell days.
Posted by peopleschamp
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
6576 posts
Posted on 6/13/12 at 10:17 am to
Exactly! If it's irrelevant then why are we paying a guy to be a hitting coach? I realize he does other things but that's one of his responsibilities.
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