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re: Mainieri says hitting coach is overrated
Posted on 6/13/12 at 4:21 pm to Joe Joe Joe
Posted on 6/13/12 at 4:21 pm to Joe Joe Joe
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So we have a much more concerning evaluation and recruiting problem then? Because we can either blame the talent, we can blame the coaching or we can put our fingers in our ears, yell "La la la la la" and pretend that everything is fine and dandy.
How did your coach teach you?
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Posted on 6/13/12 at 4:23 pm to Bernie Moore
What about scouting other pitchers, other teams, etc...? don't you think that matters? don't you think that, given various styles there are flaws in each that won't succeed at every level? do you really think that what one learns at theses systems you mention is enough to garner success throughout a college career? I'm sorry, I disagree. FTR I played slightly further than tee ball.
This post was edited on 6/13/12 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 6/13/12 at 4:23 pm to TigersSEC2010
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Mainieri says hitting coach is overrated
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fricking retard.
And your coaching resume as compared with Mainieri's!
Posted on 6/13/12 at 4:25 pm to tjohn deaux
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Why about scouting other pitchers, other teams, etc...? don't you think that matters? don't you think that, given various styles there are flaws in each that won't succeed at every level? do you really think that what one learns at theses systems you mention is enough to garner success throughout a college career? I'm sorry, I disagree. FTR I played slightly further than tee ball.
Did you have a specific hitting coach in high school?
Posted on 6/13/12 at 4:29 pm to Bernie Moore
This is BS. These kids were chasing balls out of the strike zone. The zone is learned in little league. I saw too many times our hitters trying to hit homeruns instead of trying to hit line drives. The bats affected our team power look at Hanover. How about recruiting some stronger kids because it looks like we need to get stronger.
Posted on 6/13/12 at 4:30 pm to Bernie Moore
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How did your coach teach you?
Teach me what? To hit the ball?
Are you really going to revert to the ol' "what kind of college player were you?" or the classic "where'd you coach" line? As if the only people entitled to provide reasonable comments and insight are those who played a college or professional sport?
As if you have to have played in college or the pros to identify that, throughout the entire year, we had little to no approach at the plate. Or that we had very poor plate discipline (especially with some of the guys that have been in the program for 3 to 4 years). Or that Arby Fields took the same swing and approach with 0 strikes that he did with 2 strikes. Or that JaCoby Jones saw nothing but offspeed on the outside third the entire SEC season and even though he would occasionally go the other way, he would routinely try to pull the ball. Or that Alex Edward has spent 3 years rolling over balls to short. Or that, immediately following a 4 pitch walk, batters would go up there and swing away, instead of working the count some. Or that Hanover continuously tried to be a power hitter and continued with his uppercut swing even with the new bats. Or that Dozar and Katz swung at everything at their eyes. Or that we couldn't bunt the ball consistently. Or that we couldn't work counts and draw walks.
Give me a break.
Posted on 6/13/12 at 4:31 pm to Bernie Moore
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Did you have a specific hitting coach in high school?
I didn't but college level pitching is a long way ahead of high school. The science gets far deeper and hitters need to become students ... need a teacher... just my opinion... if hitters want to do more than just stand in and take a crack at it
This post was edited on 6/13/12 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 6/13/12 at 4:32 pm to Bayoufightingtiger
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This is BS. These kids were chasing balls out of the strike zone. The zone is learned in little league. I saw too many times our hitters trying to hit homeruns instead of trying to hit line drives. The bats affected our team power look at Hanover. How about recruiting some stronger kids because it looks like we need to get stronger.
I agree. If Hanover was a high school senior today,I don't think LSU signs him.He is a prime example of an aluminum bat hitter.
Posted on 6/13/12 at 4:37 pm to tjohn deaux
It's called talent which we lack in at the plate. We look much better on the mound and defensively than we did under Skip. We had numerous arm injuries and Skip sacrificed defense for guys who can hit. If get better hitters here, we will be back on top for a long time.
Posted on 6/13/12 at 4:39 pm to Bernie Moore
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If Hanover was a high school senior today,I don't think LSU signs him.He is a prime example of an aluminum bat hitter.
You've learned well from Paul to tow the party line. Throw the players under the bus. Next you'll say we only have bad players because Grewe recruited them. You're a hack, get out of this thread, there is legitimate discussion going on and legitimate questions being raised.
Posted on 6/13/12 at 4:39 pm to Joe Joe Joe
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Teach me what? To hit the ball? Are you really going to revert to the ol' "what kind of college player were you?" or the classic "where'd you coach" line? As if the only people entitled to provide reasonable comments and insight are those who played a college or professional sport? As if you have to have played in college or the pros to identify that, throughout the entire year, we had little to no approach at the plate. Or that we had very poor plate discipline (especially with some of the guys that have been in the program for 3 to 4 years). Or that Arby Fields took the same swing and approach with 0 strikes that he did with 2 strikes. Or that JaCoby Jones saw nothing but offspeed on the outside third the entire SEC season and even though he would occasionally go the other way, he would routinely try to pull the ball. Or that Alex Edward has spent 3 years rolling over balls to short. Or that, immediately following a 4 pitch walk, batters would go up there and swing away, instead of working the count some. Or that Hanover continuously tried to be a power hitter and continued with his uppercut swing even with the new bats. Or that Dozar and Katz swung at everything at their eyes. Or that we couldn't bunt the ball consistently. Or that we couldn't work counts and draw walks. Give me a break.
I agree with much of what you posted,but it's hard to change 15 yrs worth of bad habits in a year.Let's see what happens next couple of years.Travel ball is interfering with kids learning proper fundementals in my opinion because they travel and play games all weekend rather than practicing in order to correct their flaws.
Posted on 6/13/12 at 4:41 pm to Bayoufightingtiger
That's what I was saying earlier. I may have been off with the players I named in Nola/Hanover/Ross, but I still believe PM wants better defenders because he wants to focus on small ball. Maybe not the traditional small ball, but he isn't looking for the power that Skip used to get. With 120 players hitting double digit HR's why can we not get 5-6 on the team?
Posted on 6/13/12 at 4:42 pm to ProjectP2294
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You've learned well from Paul to tow the party line. Throw the players under the bus. Next you'll say we only have bad players because Grewe recruited them. You're a hack, get out of this thread, there is legitimate discussion going on and legitimate questions being raised.
I'm entitled to my opinion. Hanover is an aluminum bat hitter who would not be recruited today with the new bats.Do you want to meet in person to discuss our differences?
Posted on 6/13/12 at 4:43 pm to CajunFootball
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but I still believe PM wants better defenders because he wants to focus on small ball.
If that's the case, how have we ended up with Edward, Slaid, Rhymes, and Katz who have no real position?
Posted on 6/13/12 at 4:44 pm to CajunFootball
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That's what I was saying earlier. I may have been off with the players I named in Nola/Hanover/Ross, but I still believe PM wants better defenders because he wants to focus on small ball. Maybe not the traditional small ball, but he isn't looking for the power that Skip used to get. With 120 players hitting double digit HR's why can we not get 5-6 on the team?
I agree.
Posted on 6/13/12 at 4:44 pm to ProjectP2294
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Slaid
Catcher, but Ross is just better.
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Katz
1B, but had to move to OF to allow Moore in the rotation.
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Edward
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Rhymes
Was a DH last year, and should have been a DH again this year. Only reason he played a position was to help him get ready for the draft.
Posted on 6/13/12 at 4:45 pm to Bernie Moore
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Do you want to meet in person to discuss our differences?
You've got to be fricking kidding me.Posted on 6/13/12 at 4:45 pm to ProjectP2294
I think he likes you.
Posted on 6/13/12 at 4:49 pm to CajunFootball
Slaid may have come in as a catcher, but has rarely, if ever, worn the gear in an LSU uniform. They tried to force him as OF.
Katz is not a 1B. He can play there. He is the most versatile guy on the team. He could probably play all 8 positions, but not all of them for an extended period of time. He's a utility guy.
Katz is not a 1B. He can play there. He is the most versatile guy on the team. He could probably play all 8 positions, but not all of them for an extended period of time. He's a utility guy.
Posted on 6/13/12 at 4:49 pm to ProjectP2294
Coming into this season did you really think LSU had any power hitters on the team? No one other then MM had more then 5 last year. Katz going off for 13 was not expected. Looking at the roster there was no one on there coming into the season that we could have pegged as being the cleanup/power hitter.
ETA: You're point just helps prove what I'm saying. A lot of the players we have on the team are utility players. They are athletic enough to play multiple positions. We would have rarely seen that under Skip where our 1B could go play CF. He's getting people who can play defense and at many positions.
ETA: You're point just helps prove what I'm saying. A lot of the players we have on the team are utility players. They are athletic enough to play multiple positions. We would have rarely seen that under Skip where our 1B could go play CF. He's getting people who can play defense and at many positions.
This post was edited on 6/13/12 at 4:52 pm
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