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LSU's comparative youth on offense statistically vs. Power 5
Posted on 10/13/14 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 10/13/14 at 3:24 pm
Glenn Guilbeau (I know, I know) tweeted on Saturday about young QBs having success all over college football. I think sometimes we like to throw beliefs rather than facts along so I took a look at LSU's youth at the skill positions compared to other teams around college football. Make of it what you wish but I did find it interesting.
Power 5 Conferences
27 of 65 (41.5) teams have underclassman QB leading team in snaps
Soph QBs – (21) Texas A&M (43.9 ppg), CAL (42.8 ppg) Nebraska (41.5 ppg), Oklahoma (40.5 ppg), Florida State (39.0 ppg), Kentucky (36.5 ppg), LSU (34.9 ppg), Washington (34.8), Georgia Tech (33.0 ppg), Colorado (31.7), Virginia (31.7 ppg) Louisville (31.0 ppg), PITT (30.5 ppg), Texas Tech (30.3), Missouri (28.8 ppg), Illinois (28.6), Minnesota (27.0), Purdue (26.9 ppg), Penn State (21.2 ppg), Texas (19.7 ppg), Kansas (15.83)
RS Freshman QBs – (2) Ohio State (44.6 ppg), Arizona (37.5 ppg)
True Freshman QBs – (4) Clemson (37.5), Miami (31.4), Vanderbilt (17.6 ppg), Wake Forest (15.7)
Least Experienced Power 5 Conference Teams at Skill positions (1 QB, 2RB, 3 WRs based on touches; senior 4, junior 3, sophomore 2, freshman 1; did not consider redshirts)
(all teams that tallied fewer than 15 when adding those positions by class)
7 of least experienced 12 teams have underclass QBs
Vanderbilt – QB (FR), RB (FR, FR), WR (FR, JR, SO) – 9 (17.6 ppg)
LSU – QB (SO), RB (FR, SR), WR (SO, FR, FR) – 11 (34.9)
VaTech - QB (JR), RB (FR, FR), WR (SR, FR, FR) – 11 (30.5) – 2.77
Ohio State – QB (FR), RB (SO, FR), WR (So, So, SR) – 12 (44.6)
Oklahoma – QB (SO), RB (FR, SO), WR (JR, JR, FR) – 12 (40.5)
Clemson – QB (FR), RB (FR, JR), WR (FR, SO, SR) – 12 (37.5)
Wake Forest – QB (FR), RB (SR, FR), WR (FR, SR, SO) – 12 (15.7)
Baylor – QB (SR), RB (So, FR), WR (FR, JR, SO) – 13 (52.7)
Arizona State – QB (JR), RB (JR, FR), WR (JR, SO, FR) – 13 (41.2)
North Carolina – QB (JR), RB (FR, SO), WR (SO, SO, JR) – 13 (37.2)
Miami – QB (FR), RB (JR, FR), WR (SR, JR, FR) – 13 (31.4)
N. C. State – QB (JR), RB (JR, SO), WR (FR, SO, SO) – 13 (30.9)
Most Experienced Power 5 Conference Teams
Kansas State – QB (SR), RB (SO, SR), WR (SR, SR, SR) – 22 (40.8)
Georgia Tech – QB (SO), RB (SR, SR), WR (SR, SR, SR) – 22 (33.0)
Stanford - QB (SR), RB (SR, JR), WR (SR, SR, SO) – 22 (26.3)
Michigan State – QB (JR), RB (SR, SR), WR (SR, SO, SR) – 21 (45.5 ppg)
Auburn – QB (SR), RB (SR, SR), WR (JR, JR, JR) – 21 (38.8 ppg)
South Carolina – QB (SR), RB (JR, SR), WR (SO, SR, SR) – 21 (34.2 ppg)
Missouri – QB (SO), RB (JR, SR), WR (SR, SR, SR) – 21 (28.8 ppg)
Oregon State – QB (SR), RB (SR, JR), WR (SR, JR, JR) – 21 (28.2)
Utah – QB (JR), RB (JR, JR), WR (JR, SR, SR) – 20 (39.6)
Duke – QB (SR), RB (FR, SR), WR (SR, JR, SR) – 20 (35.8)
Alabama – QB (SR), RB (JR, SO), WR (JR, SR, SR) – 20 (33.2 ppg)
Iowa - QB (JR), RB (JR, SR), WR (JR, JR, SR) – 20 (26.3 ppg)
Iowa State – QB (JR), RB (JR, SR), WR (SR, SO, SR) – 20 (24.5)
Syracuse – QB (SR), RB (SR, SR), WR (SR, JR, FR) – 20 (21.3) – 1.07
Top Teams Producing Most Offensive Points with Least Skill Experience
Baylor – QB (SR), RB (So, FR), WR (FR, JR, SO) – (52.7/13) – 4.05 – Senior QB
Ohio State – QB (FR), RB (SO, FR), WR (So, So, SR) – 12 (44.6) – 3.71
Oklahoma – QB (SO), RB (FR, SO), WR (JR, JR, FR) – 12 (40.5) – 3.38
Arizona State – QB (JR), RB (JR, FR), WR (JR, SO, FR) – 13 (41.2) – 3.17 – Junior QB
LSU – QB (SO), RB (FR, SR), WR (SO, FR, FR) – 11 (34.9) – 3.17
Clemson – QB (FR), RB (FR, JR), WR (FR, SO, SR) – 12 (37.5) – 3.12
Oregon – QB (JR), RB (FR, SO), WR (JR, FR, SR) – 14 (43.3) – 3.09 – Junior QB
Texas A&M – QB (SO), RB (JR, JR), WR (FR, SR, SO) – 15 (43.9) – 2.92
North Carolina – QB (JR), RB (FR, SO), WR (SO, SO, JR) – 13 (37.2) – 2.86 – Junior QB
Mississippi State – QB (JR), RB (JR, SO), WR (SO, SR, FR) – 15 (41.8) – 2.79 – Junior QB
VaTech - QB (JR), RB (FR, FR), WR (SR, FR, FR) – 11 (30.5) – 2.77 – junior QB
Arizona – QB (RFR), RB (FR, SR), WR (SO, SR, SO) – 14 (37.5)- 2.68
Kentucky – QB (SO), RB (SO, JR), WR (SO, SR, FR) – 14 (36.5) – 2.60
Georgia – QB (SR), RB (JR, FR), WR (SR, SR, FR) – 17 (43.2) – 2.54 – Senior QB
Kansas State – QB (JR), RB (JR, JR), WR U(JR, JR, JR) – 18 (45.8) – 2.5 – Junior QB
Least Productive Teams with Most Experience at Skill Positions
Kansas – QB (SO), RB (FR, JR), WR (SR, SR, SR) – 18 (15.83) – 0.88 - Sophomore QB
Texas – QB (SO), RB (SR, JR), WR (SR, SR, JR) – 19 (19.7) – 1.04 - Sophomore QB
Syracuse – QB (SR), RB (SR, SR), WR (SR, JR, FR) – 20 (21.3) – 1.07
Northwestern – QB (SR), RB (FR, SR), WR (JR, JR, SR) – 19 (21.5) – 1.13
Stanford - QB (SR), RB (SR, JR), WR (SR, SR, SO) – 22 (26.3) – 1.20
Iowa State – QB (JR), RB (JR, SR), WR (SR, SO, SR) – 20 (24.5) – 1.22
Iowa - QB (JR), RB (JR, SR), WR (JR, JR, SR) – 20 (26.3) – 1.32
Oregon State – QB (SR), RB (SR, JR), WR (SR, JR, JR) – 21 (28.2)- 1.34
Missouri – QB (SO), RB (JR, SR), WR (SR, SR, SR) – 21 (28.8) – 1.37 – Soph QB
Most Experienced Conference at Skill Positions – Big 12 (17.4)
Least Experience Conference at Skill Positions – ACC (15.8)
PAC-12 – 16.33; SEC – 16.64; Big Ten 17.21
I'm sure there is a better way to do most productive/least productive because it skewed a bit toward the offenses that were the most and least productive in general but I think it's at least interesting. I think it definitely shows that talent wins over experience but, for most teams, having an underclassman at QB is a challenge, even though "
young QBs are successful all over the place," according to Guilbeau, which simply isn't true. There are only four true or redshirt QBs playing on teams that aren't dreadful (Ohio State, Arizona, Miami, and Clemson).
Power 5 Conferences
27 of 65 (41.5) teams have underclassman QB leading team in snaps
Soph QBs – (21) Texas A&M (43.9 ppg), CAL (42.8 ppg) Nebraska (41.5 ppg), Oklahoma (40.5 ppg), Florida State (39.0 ppg), Kentucky (36.5 ppg), LSU (34.9 ppg), Washington (34.8), Georgia Tech (33.0 ppg), Colorado (31.7), Virginia (31.7 ppg) Louisville (31.0 ppg), PITT (30.5 ppg), Texas Tech (30.3), Missouri (28.8 ppg), Illinois (28.6), Minnesota (27.0), Purdue (26.9 ppg), Penn State (21.2 ppg), Texas (19.7 ppg), Kansas (15.83)
RS Freshman QBs – (2) Ohio State (44.6 ppg), Arizona (37.5 ppg)
True Freshman QBs – (4) Clemson (37.5), Miami (31.4), Vanderbilt (17.6 ppg), Wake Forest (15.7)
Least Experienced Power 5 Conference Teams at Skill positions (1 QB, 2RB, 3 WRs based on touches; senior 4, junior 3, sophomore 2, freshman 1; did not consider redshirts)
(all teams that tallied fewer than 15 when adding those positions by class)
7 of least experienced 12 teams have underclass QBs
Vanderbilt – QB (FR), RB (FR, FR), WR (FR, JR, SO) – 9 (17.6 ppg)
LSU – QB (SO), RB (FR, SR), WR (SO, FR, FR) – 11 (34.9)
VaTech - QB (JR), RB (FR, FR), WR (SR, FR, FR) – 11 (30.5) – 2.77
Ohio State – QB (FR), RB (SO, FR), WR (So, So, SR) – 12 (44.6)
Oklahoma – QB (SO), RB (FR, SO), WR (JR, JR, FR) – 12 (40.5)
Clemson – QB (FR), RB (FR, JR), WR (FR, SO, SR) – 12 (37.5)
Wake Forest – QB (FR), RB (SR, FR), WR (FR, SR, SO) – 12 (15.7)
Baylor – QB (SR), RB (So, FR), WR (FR, JR, SO) – 13 (52.7)
Arizona State – QB (JR), RB (JR, FR), WR (JR, SO, FR) – 13 (41.2)
North Carolina – QB (JR), RB (FR, SO), WR (SO, SO, JR) – 13 (37.2)
Miami – QB (FR), RB (JR, FR), WR (SR, JR, FR) – 13 (31.4)
N. C. State – QB (JR), RB (JR, SO), WR (FR, SO, SO) – 13 (30.9)
Most Experienced Power 5 Conference Teams
Kansas State – QB (SR), RB (SO, SR), WR (SR, SR, SR) – 22 (40.8)
Georgia Tech – QB (SO), RB (SR, SR), WR (SR, SR, SR) – 22 (33.0)
Stanford - QB (SR), RB (SR, JR), WR (SR, SR, SO) – 22 (26.3)
Michigan State – QB (JR), RB (SR, SR), WR (SR, SO, SR) – 21 (45.5 ppg)
Auburn – QB (SR), RB (SR, SR), WR (JR, JR, JR) – 21 (38.8 ppg)
South Carolina – QB (SR), RB (JR, SR), WR (SO, SR, SR) – 21 (34.2 ppg)
Missouri – QB (SO), RB (JR, SR), WR (SR, SR, SR) – 21 (28.8 ppg)
Oregon State – QB (SR), RB (SR, JR), WR (SR, JR, JR) – 21 (28.2)
Utah – QB (JR), RB (JR, JR), WR (JR, SR, SR) – 20 (39.6)
Duke – QB (SR), RB (FR, SR), WR (SR, JR, SR) – 20 (35.8)
Alabama – QB (SR), RB (JR, SO), WR (JR, SR, SR) – 20 (33.2 ppg)
Iowa - QB (JR), RB (JR, SR), WR (JR, JR, SR) – 20 (26.3 ppg)
Iowa State – QB (JR), RB (JR, SR), WR (SR, SO, SR) – 20 (24.5)
Syracuse – QB (SR), RB (SR, SR), WR (SR, JR, FR) – 20 (21.3) – 1.07
Top Teams Producing Most Offensive Points with Least Skill Experience
Baylor – QB (SR), RB (So, FR), WR (FR, JR, SO) – (52.7/13) – 4.05 – Senior QB
Ohio State – QB (FR), RB (SO, FR), WR (So, So, SR) – 12 (44.6) – 3.71
Oklahoma – QB (SO), RB (FR, SO), WR (JR, JR, FR) – 12 (40.5) – 3.38
Arizona State – QB (JR), RB (JR, FR), WR (JR, SO, FR) – 13 (41.2) – 3.17 – Junior QB
LSU – QB (SO), RB (FR, SR), WR (SO, FR, FR) – 11 (34.9) – 3.17
Clemson – QB (FR), RB (FR, JR), WR (FR, SO, SR) – 12 (37.5) – 3.12
Oregon – QB (JR), RB (FR, SO), WR (JR, FR, SR) – 14 (43.3) – 3.09 – Junior QB
Texas A&M – QB (SO), RB (JR, JR), WR (FR, SR, SO) – 15 (43.9) – 2.92
North Carolina – QB (JR), RB (FR, SO), WR (SO, SO, JR) – 13 (37.2) – 2.86 – Junior QB
Mississippi State – QB (JR), RB (JR, SO), WR (SO, SR, FR) – 15 (41.8) – 2.79 – Junior QB
VaTech - QB (JR), RB (FR, FR), WR (SR, FR, FR) – 11 (30.5) – 2.77 – junior QB
Arizona – QB (RFR), RB (FR, SR), WR (SO, SR, SO) – 14 (37.5)- 2.68
Kentucky – QB (SO), RB (SO, JR), WR (SO, SR, FR) – 14 (36.5) – 2.60
Georgia – QB (SR), RB (JR, FR), WR (SR, SR, FR) – 17 (43.2) – 2.54 – Senior QB
Kansas State – QB (JR), RB (JR, JR), WR U(JR, JR, JR) – 18 (45.8) – 2.5 – Junior QB
Least Productive Teams with Most Experience at Skill Positions
Kansas – QB (SO), RB (FR, JR), WR (SR, SR, SR) – 18 (15.83) – 0.88 - Sophomore QB
Texas – QB (SO), RB (SR, JR), WR (SR, SR, JR) – 19 (19.7) – 1.04 - Sophomore QB
Syracuse – QB (SR), RB (SR, SR), WR (SR, JR, FR) – 20 (21.3) – 1.07
Northwestern – QB (SR), RB (FR, SR), WR (JR, JR, SR) – 19 (21.5) – 1.13
Stanford - QB (SR), RB (SR, JR), WR (SR, SR, SO) – 22 (26.3) – 1.20
Iowa State – QB (JR), RB (JR, SR), WR (SR, SO, SR) – 20 (24.5) – 1.22
Iowa - QB (JR), RB (JR, SR), WR (JR, JR, SR) – 20 (26.3) – 1.32
Oregon State – QB (SR), RB (SR, JR), WR (SR, JR, JR) – 21 (28.2)- 1.34
Missouri – QB (SO), RB (JR, SR), WR (SR, SR, SR) – 21 (28.8) – 1.37 – Soph QB
Most Experienced Conference at Skill Positions – Big 12 (17.4)
Least Experience Conference at Skill Positions – ACC (15.8)
PAC-12 – 16.33; SEC – 16.64; Big Ten 17.21
I'm sure there is a better way to do most productive/least productive because it skewed a bit toward the offenses that were the most and least productive in general but I think it's at least interesting. I think it definitely shows that talent wins over experience but, for most teams, having an underclassman at QB is a challenge, even though "
young QBs are successful all over the place," according to Guilbeau, which simply isn't true. There are only four true or redshirt QBs playing on teams that aren't dreadful (Ohio State, Arizona, Miami, and Clemson).
This post was edited on 10/13/14 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 10/13/14 at 3:27 pm to trooploop
LSU: BTB NCs in 2015 and 2016
Posted on 10/13/14 at 3:33 pm to trooploop
quote:
young QBs are successful all over the place."
that's not what I got out of it. out of this mountain of numbers
Posted on 10/13/14 at 3:35 pm to LSU GrandDad
quote:
young QBs are successful all over the place."
that's not what I got out of it. out of this mountain of numbers
That was sarcasm. That's what GG was trying to say on Saturday. I didn't buy it and it certainly doesn't look to be the case at all.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 3:38 pm to trooploop
quote:
young QBs are successful all over the place."
Nope, and especially in our league where the D is better.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 3:45 pm to trooploop
Good write up. How long did it take you to compile the research?
Posted on 10/13/14 at 3:48 pm to trooploop
One thing that also stands out. Those teams with young qbs don't play in the sec west either.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 3:51 pm to trooploop
So 9 teams with soph or younger qb's are putting up better numbers than us?
Posted on 10/13/14 at 3:51 pm to RidiculousHype
quote:
Good write up. How long did it take you to compile the research?
It took about two hours. I was just going to do the SEC but then I get interested in looking at youth, especially at QB, around the country. I think I had bought into the perception that more underclassmen QBs were playing at a really high level and it really didn't play out when doing the research.
I also really wanted to find out how truly young LSU's skill was compared to other schools around the country. Answer: Really Frickin Young.
A message board isn't the best format to try to read the stats so I'm sure it lost something in translation.
I did find it interesting that only 6 true or RS frosh QBs were playing in the Power 65.
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