re: LSU QBs since 1970

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Perception is everything. By the numbers, JJ was a better QB than Steve Ensminger. But, from a fan perspective, Ensminger was a tough, talented kid with the teams best interest in mind. He bled purple and gold.

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Ensminger was and is all about LSU, except when he was at Nicholls, McNeese, Tech, Georgia, A&M, Clemson, and Auburn.

Ensminger recruits hard for LSU, and he has been instrumental in obtaining great recruits for LSU.

Ensminger bleeds purple and gold.

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JJ seemed to be about JJ, always looking for someone else to blame his errors on.

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Jefferson busted his arse for four years at LSU. Jefferson took some huge hits for LSU, but he kept on playing. Jefferson gave LSU some of its greatest moments. He shed sweat and blood for LSU. Jefferson never said a bad word about anyone, and you won't find an interview where he blamed someone for his errors.

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Ensminger, Rohan, Bert Jones, Carl Otis, Hodson, Jamarcus,etc. were all likeable kids. JJ is not. The end result is that these guys hold a cool place in Tiger football history, while most are just glad JJ is gone, no matter what the stats show.

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Most LSU fans appreciate the great effort Jefferson gave for LSU, just like Ensminger, Davey, Jones, Trimble, Hodson, and Russell. To be sure, there is a vocal minority that whines incessantly and complains bitterly about the QB who played instead of Lee. However, it's not Jefferson's fault he was better than Lee. It's not Jefferson's fault that the coaches thought he was better than Lee. It's not Jefferson's fault that fans wanted the coaches to play Lee instead of Jefferson.

Both Jefferson and Lee had crap for a QB coach and OC for most of their college careers. It's not Jefferson's fault that his OC had stupid substitution packages, a moronic offensive philosophy, and delays in running the offense. It’s amazing to me that some fans blame the QB for Crowton’s mistakes when Jefferson was the QB, but blame the OC when Lee was throwing interceptions in 2008. It’s the same OC making stupid mistakes, but some fans switch the blame depending on who was under center.

Jefferson was an indispensable part of LSU's undefeated regular season in 2011. We might be glad that he was replaced by a better QB in 2012. However, Jefferson will always have a "cool place in Tiger football history."

Jefferson bleeds purple and gold. In fact, both of the Jeffersons do.

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The time it took to put together the OP was time well spent. The OP has value and is informative. 

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My post wasn't informative?

It shows how 2 of the best QBs in LSU history compared to their counterparts.

I would actually like to see it for the entire list, but those were the 2 mentioned in that post.

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JLee > JJ

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Hey Salviati,

"Jefferson busted his arse for four years at LSU. Jefferson took some huge hits for LSU, but he kept on playing. Jefferson gave LSU some of its greatest moments. He shed sweat and blood for LSU. Jefferson never said a bad word about anyone, and you won't find an interview where he blamed someone for his errors."

I was not speaking of interviews. I was speaking of the times, in game, where he would throw a bad pass and throw his hands up and blame the receiver. Also, when there is a fumble on a handoff, both players involved know who was at fault and why. It does not make you a good team mate or leader to try and call another kid down in front of 90k of his closest friends.

I purposefully did not mention Lee. That dead horse has run it's course. But you are correct in stating that the OC and position coaches were over their heads for a team playing at such a high level.

The 2011 team played the toughest schedule ever and finished the regular season undefeated. This was due to offensive production, special teams scoring and play, and the D and special teams getting normal turnovers, as well as creating them. Had it not been for the special teams and D, our QB's would have been insufficient to bring us, unscathed, to the end of the road.

Everyone I know is glad his portion of Tiger history is behind us. I can not speak for those I do not know.

And, Ensminger did coach at some other schools. He has to eat too. He was originally brought into the Sonny Jackson fold because he had a relative that was a trainer at Nicholls in the early 80's.
Plus, he is Steve Ensminger.

Mett was an all-time tiger. This just proves it even more.

What is the point of thread?

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Salviati

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I was being too lazy to spell out rating... I know what the OP was referencing in the graphic. I also understand the computation of both statistics. My point is that yards per attempt are given far too much weight.

1300 more yards in one only one more game
6 more TD's in only one more game
And a higher completion percentage
Not any more TD's

There's absolutely no reason whatsoever to think that the QB rating or QBR should be computed higher when comparing only statistics and those differences exist.