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Posted on 11/3/15 at 3:28 am to ike221
could have, should have, would have....i know, but with those rushing efforts, LSU was in position to win 3 of those games. It looks like as long as we rush for 2.8 a carry, we can win.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 5:12 am to ike221
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LSU has to get to the edge
With the right plays at the right times with the right personnel, this can work.
If you look back at the Texas A&M-Alabama game, I think A&M had some major flaws in their offensive game plan related to this approach. They gave Christian Kirk one carry on a jet sweep that resulted in an 11-yard gain. I think they should have utilized Kirk more on plays like that because he has the speed and quickness to take advantage of Alabama's vulnerabilities in the run game.
A&M had Tra Carson running outside the tackles on multiple runs. Generally, that's not a good idea. Carson, a big back at 240, does not have the speed and quickness to be consistently effective on those types of plays. He averaged 3.5 YPC. His longest run in the game was 6 yards.
In my view, A&M should have utilized Kirk and Speedy Noil (if Speedy was healthy enough to the point where he could really go at high gear) more in the run game to stretch Alabama's D horizontally.
Also, I think they should have played their freshman QB Kyler Murray more in that game. He would have had a good chance to give the running game a boost on designed runs and scrambles.
Even if A&M would have done these things, I think they probably still would have lost the game. But, I think their O would have been much more effective with these types of adjustments. Also, if A&M would have popped a few outside run plays, that likely would've loosened the Alabama D enough to the point where Carson could have found more success between the tackles. Probably not much, but he may have at least been able to be above 4 YPC with this scenario.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 5:23 am to SammyTiger
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those numbers include sacks (i only checked 2013 to be honest)
thats not an accurate depiction of how well we run the ball.
But you can't just take sacks out of the equation.
Think about the rushing yards that Jefferson and Jennings picked up on passing plays. If you just take out the sacks, then you're essentially saying that only positive yards from QBs count toward rushing totals.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 5:35 am to inadaze
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But you can't just take sacks out of the equation.
We can and should if we want to understand how well we run the ball handing it off to the running back.
And please do not mention the former QB's... puts me in a bad mood
Posted on 11/3/15 at 6:44 am to ApexTiger
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We can and should if we want to understand how well we run the ball handing it off to the running back.
No, you can't. The totals still include positive yards gained by the QB!
It's true that sacks often skew rushing totals, but just subtracting sack yardage is too simplistic relative to an "accurate depiction" of a team's running game.
If you are trying to focus on RBs, then you should just look at individual RB numbers because there are a number of ways that rushing totals include yardage gained or lost by someone other than a RB.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 6:54 am to easy money
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could have, should have, would have....i know, but with those rushing efforts, LSU was in position to win 3 of those games. It looks like as long as we rush for 2.8 a carry, we can win.
What an awful rationale.
There are many different things that can affect the outcome of a game, and make up for a subpar rushing performance, but that is a losing mentality.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 7:40 am to inadaze
A break down in pass blocking doesn't reflect how well we run the ball.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 8:01 am to SammyTiger
Did you read the full post? This is a somewhat nuanced point I'm trying to make.
A breakdown in pass protection can also result in positive rushing yards for QBs who have good escape ability. And it doesn't have to be just a breakdown in protection. It could be some other breakdown in the play, or receivers not getting open -- QBs with good running ability can turn those plays into positive rushing plays. These positive rushing yards are included in the totals. If you're going for an accurate depiction of a team's running game, it doesn't make much sense to only subtract the sacks. Some people do. I know that. Although there is some validity to that, there are other factors involved. Just subtracting sacks doesn't lead you to a totally accurate depiction.
A breakdown in pass protection can also result in positive rushing yards for QBs who have good escape ability. And it doesn't have to be just a breakdown in protection. It could be some other breakdown in the play, or receivers not getting open -- QBs with good running ability can turn those plays into positive rushing plays. These positive rushing yards are included in the totals. If you're going for an accurate depiction of a team's running game, it doesn't make much sense to only subtract the sacks. Some people do. I know that. Although there is some validity to that, there are other factors involved. Just subtracting sacks doesn't lead you to a totally accurate depiction.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 8:05 am to jlovel7
actually these stats in 2013 likely include Met with about a negative 100 yards in sacks. I think a much more valid manner is to look at what our rb's did....
Posted on 11/3/15 at 8:07 am to ike221
Fwiw, sacks are counted against your rushing totals in college football, so I'm sure that had a lot to do with the yardage, particularly in 2013.
ETA: I didn't read the second page before posting this, but I see it has been covered.
ETA: I didn't read the second page before posting this, but I see it has been covered.
This post was edited on 11/3/15 at 8:27 am
Posted on 11/3/15 at 8:22 am to inadaze
Your post is about rushing yards, a sack isn't a rush.
This post was edited on 11/3/15 at 8:23 am
Posted on 11/3/15 at 8:25 am to ike221
After accounting for sacks, the yardage would look like this
2011 - 40/151, 3.78 YPA
2011 - 23/65, 2.83 YPA
2012 - 46/161, 3.50 YPA
2013 - 27/75, 2.78 YPA
2014 - 54/196, 3.63 YPA
Those are still pretty rough averages, but not nearly as dismal as they look with the sacks included. Additionally, LSU is averaging over 1.5 more yards per attempt this year they they did in their best year during that stretch, so this is obviously a much more prolific rushing offense than previous years.
2011 - 40/151, 3.78 YPA
2011 - 23/65, 2.83 YPA
2012 - 46/161, 3.50 YPA
2013 - 27/75, 2.78 YPA
2014 - 54/196, 3.63 YPA
Those are still pretty rough averages, but not nearly as dismal as they look with the sacks included. Additionally, LSU is averaging over 1.5 more yards per attempt this year they they did in their best year during that stretch, so this is obviously a much more prolific rushing offense than previous years.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 8:34 am to SammyTiger
You don't seem to understand what I'm talking about. Let's just drop it.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 8:38 am to jlovel7
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we were more pitiful than I thought in 2013.
I think the 2013 rushing numbers are significantly affected by the sacks at the end. Mett got sacked on three (or four?) straight plays to end the game, with probably 20-30 yards in losses. Subtract three or four attempts and add 20-30 yards to get a more realistic picture of our rushing performance in that game.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 8:51 am to slackster
For the games in 2012 and 2013, it makes more sense to subtract the sacks because Mettenberger was the QB. For the other games, less so.
Last year, Jennings actually did a nice job picking up positive yards on passing plays.
Think about how you would game-plan for Alabama with Brandon Harris or Kyler Murray, or some other player with similar skills at QB. The running ability of that QB will surely factor into your game plan. If I had Harris or Murray at QB, I would definitely call some rollout passing plays, run-pass option plays, etc. Some of those plays may result in negative rushing yards. Some may result in positive rushing yards. It wouldn't really be an accurate statistical portrayal to count the positive yards, but not the negative yards.
Think about how many times you've seen a QB almost get sacked for negative yards, then somehow get out of it, and gain positive yards. Are you going to subtract those positive yards from the statistics?
Last year, Jennings actually did a nice job picking up positive yards on passing plays.
Think about how you would game-plan for Alabama with Brandon Harris or Kyler Murray, or some other player with similar skills at QB. The running ability of that QB will surely factor into your game plan. If I had Harris or Murray at QB, I would definitely call some rollout passing plays, run-pass option plays, etc. Some of those plays may result in negative rushing yards. Some may result in positive rushing yards. It wouldn't really be an accurate statistical portrayal to count the positive yards, but not the negative yards.
Think about how many times you've seen a QB almost get sacked for negative yards, then somehow get out of it, and gain positive yards. Are you going to subtract those positive yards from the statistics?
Posted on 11/3/15 at 8:58 am to jlovel7
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My god, we were more pitiful than I thought in 2013.
Those rushing stats are skewed as a result of the sacks that Mettenberger continued to take in the second half.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 9:39 am to inadaze
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No, you can't. The totals still include positive yards gained by the QB!
The other guy posted yards by qb and rb. You can take the qbs stats out to see how well our rbs did. Why is this so hard to understand?
Posted on 11/3/15 at 10:04 am to NATidefan
quote:It's insane how often I confuse the two
His name is Chubb...
Posted on 11/3/15 at 10:08 am to ike221
quote:Not by himself he can't.
Leonard Fournette can you change that?
(But the best OL in the SEC can help him out there)
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