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LSU is ELITE, and we need elite results. These are the facts.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 11:35 am
Posted on 11/29/15 at 11:35 am
There's a narrative out there summarized by the following:
-LSU should be happy with it's current success as it's the best we've seen
-LSU was nothing before Saban, so we should be thankful for what Miles has been able to accomplish and sustain
-LSU should look at the 90's as to what could happen if we make the wrong move
-LSU football historically has been good but not great. Striving to be like the Bama's of the world is unrealistic.
-LSU can't compete with the likes of Bama and Saban, we should be happy with an occasional run at the SEC.
Most of these were true at one time, but the facts don't support that narrative anymore.
These are the facts:
1. Money: Currently LSU's athletic department is ranked 6th in revenue right behind Ohio State and just in front of Oklahoma. We are 2nd in the SEC behind Bama. There's a common theme with the top 5 or 6 schools (Oregon being the outlier and an anomaly due to Phil Night and Nike). All of these schools are considered the "blue bloods" of college football. These are the historical powerhouses.
Currently we have comparable resources to all of these schools. Money, facilities, and resources are not an issue at LSU.
2. Recruiting: Great programs have great recruiting. There's no getting around it, you need great players to be great. It's not a secret that LSU has a recruiting advantage due to being in a fertile recruiting area with no in state competition.
Recruiting is not an issue at LSU.
3. Coaching: this is where money and recruiting come together to form a powerhouse. Currently our coaching is simply not utilizing the resources available to be elite. This has to change.
Miles stays for next year? Fine. But he must compete for a championship. If he doesn't he HAS to be gone. We have what it takes to compete with Bama. We just need to utilize it properly.
So many people are terrified of falling back into the 90's that it's clouding their logic. LSU is an elite athletic program, we need elite results.
-LSU should be happy with it's current success as it's the best we've seen
-LSU was nothing before Saban, so we should be thankful for what Miles has been able to accomplish and sustain
-LSU should look at the 90's as to what could happen if we make the wrong move
-LSU football historically has been good but not great. Striving to be like the Bama's of the world is unrealistic.
-LSU can't compete with the likes of Bama and Saban, we should be happy with an occasional run at the SEC.
Most of these were true at one time, but the facts don't support that narrative anymore.
These are the facts:
1. Money: Currently LSU's athletic department is ranked 6th in revenue right behind Ohio State and just in front of Oklahoma. We are 2nd in the SEC behind Bama. There's a common theme with the top 5 or 6 schools (Oregon being the outlier and an anomaly due to Phil Night and Nike). All of these schools are considered the "blue bloods" of college football. These are the historical powerhouses.
Currently we have comparable resources to all of these schools. Money, facilities, and resources are not an issue at LSU.
2. Recruiting: Great programs have great recruiting. There's no getting around it, you need great players to be great. It's not a secret that LSU has a recruiting advantage due to being in a fertile recruiting area with no in state competition.
Recruiting is not an issue at LSU.
3. Coaching: this is where money and recruiting come together to form a powerhouse. Currently our coaching is simply not utilizing the resources available to be elite. This has to change.
Miles stays for next year? Fine. But he must compete for a championship. If he doesn't he HAS to be gone. We have what it takes to compete with Bama. We just need to utilize it properly.
So many people are terrified of falling back into the 90's that it's clouding their logic. LSU is an elite athletic program, we need elite results.
This post was edited on 11/29/15 at 6:22 pm
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Posted on 11/29/15 at 11:41 am to rintintin
My favorite is these old as frick douchebags acting like because they lived through the 90s as an adult, we should be thankful for what we have despite elevating our program and winning 2 national titles.
Let's just do all we can to back to a less successful time.
Let's just do all we can to back to a less successful time.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 6:22 pm to rintintin
Bump
Posted on 11/29/15 at 6:24 pm to rintintin
I would argue that LSU is no longer elite.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 6:32 pm to John Keating
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would argue that LSU is no longer elite.
The results have not been elite, which is the whole point of this thread. LSU has the ability to sustain an elite football program.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 6:33 pm to rintintin
If you fire your long time successful head coach for no actual good reason other than impatience, enjoy being Texas, which has become the fricking speed bump of the Big 12.
Texas had similar delusions about being special and having enough money and resources to power its way back to being "elite."
Watching them get hammered by putrid Iowa State sure was special. They'll also get to enjoy being elite enough that they'll be watching all of the bowl games on fricking TV because they can't cobble together enough wins to actually play in one.
They'll suck even worse when they fire Charlie Strong next week so that they can take a second try at sucking off Saban. Their recruits will abandon them, and they'll be stuck with bullshite at HC because they have zero fricking patience and demand results now, and no coach on earth has a hard-on for that.
Be elite. Fire our coach and then start bitching at the next guy when he can't beat Saban.
Texas had similar delusions about being special and having enough money and resources to power its way back to being "elite."
Watching them get hammered by putrid Iowa State sure was special. They'll also get to enjoy being elite enough that they'll be watching all of the bowl games on fricking TV because they can't cobble together enough wins to actually play in one.
They'll suck even worse when they fire Charlie Strong next week so that they can take a second try at sucking off Saban. Their recruits will abandon them, and they'll be stuck with bullshite at HC because they have zero fricking patience and demand results now, and no coach on earth has a hard-on for that.
Be elite. Fire our coach and then start bitching at the next guy when he can't beat Saban.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 6:41 pm to rintintin
Agree. I started going to LSU games in 1972. Me and all my siblings are LSU graduates. This remember the 90's BS has to stop. All of your points are valid. LSU has the resources and recruiting base to be a top 10 team every year. We should not accept playing second fiddle to BAMA. I hope I am wrong but I don't see any of our current problems being fixed without a coaching change.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 6:43 pm to rintintin
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1. Money: Currently LSU's athletic department is ranked 6th in revenue right behind Ohio State
Yeah, well they say follow the money
but I got a feel'in this will be chang'in Posted on 11/29/15 at 6:44 pm to Beetlejuice
quote:
If you fire your long time successful head coach for no actual good reason other than impatience, enjoy being Texas, which has become the fricking speed bump of the Big 12.
They were dead set on Saban, and may have very well been close to getting him,but it didnt work out. I don't think they'd be much better if they still had Mack though.
Regardless, you can't use another school's misfortune as evidence that it won't work out for LSU. LSU just better make sure they have someone ready to go after next year if Miles doesn't meet expectations.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 6:44 pm to rintintin
What are the elite programs? I assume elite would be the top 10 out of 200.
Name them. What are top ten programs better than LSU over the Les Miles era?
Name them. What are top ten programs better than LSU over the Les Miles era?
Posted on 11/29/15 at 6:52 pm to rintintin
Where do you think LSU ranks in teams with the most W's from 2005 - 2014?
Posted on 11/29/15 at 6:53 pm to Beetlejuice
quote:
If you fire your long time successful head coach for no actual good reason other than impatience, enjoy being Texas, which has become the fricking speed bump of the Big 12.
Actually they waited a year too long to fire their once successful but then unsuccessful coach. Mack Browns last year he went 8-5 and had a recruiting class ranked 24th with only 15 players committed.
Do fortune 100 companies wait until their CEO runs them into the ground before they make a change or do they make a change as soon as they notice that CEO has had a string of bad under performing years?
Texas clearly was a little late in making a change. No one is great forever. No coach, no athlete....no CEO.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 6:53 pm to jose canseco
In 2015 there are currently 22 other teams that are considered better than us.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 6:55 pm to jose canseco
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What are top ten programs better than LSU over the Les Miles era?
I'm not talking about the entire Miles era. That's irrelevant when discussing the future. The last few years are more telling and we haven't been close to elite.
Bama, Florida State, Ohio St, even Oregon have been elite over that time span. LSU hasn't won a major bowl since 2007. That's a long time when you want to be considered elite.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 6:56 pm to John Keating
quote:
I would argue that LSU is no longer elite.
Has not been since 21-0
Posted on 11/29/15 at 6:57 pm to rintintin
Well, we certainly aren't going to get and keep elite talent if prospects see LSU as having no confidence in Les Miles from the top on down. That will and is already causing attrition in recruiting. Negative actions produce negative results.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 7:00 pm to Rico Tubbs
Good companies also run toward something, not away from it.
Jimbo was not a strategy; it was purely reactionary. LSU was perfectly happy with Les Miles until the losing streak.
Luring a destination coach away from his destination ought not start when you're openly weeping about a losing streak. That's what LSU did, and it lost its guy as a result.
I know a little bit about hiring and firing, and most of the below average intelligent postings here aren't doing much to actually accomplish what LSU hopes to accomplish, but they are helping to prevent it.
Jimbo was not a strategy; it was purely reactionary. LSU was perfectly happy with Les Miles until the losing streak.
Luring a destination coach away from his destination ought not start when you're openly weeping about a losing streak. That's what LSU did, and it lost its guy as a result.
I know a little bit about hiring and firing, and most of the below average intelligent postings here aren't doing much to actually accomplish what LSU hopes to accomplish, but they are helping to prevent it.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 7:01 pm to rintintin
To the 5 people who downvoted the OP, you're nothing but a bunch of delusional losers. You're most likely a failure in life who has no sense of responsibility or accountability. You are a loser.
Great post OP, spot on!
Great post OP, spot on!
This post was edited on 11/29/15 at 7:02 pm
Posted on 11/29/15 at 7:01 pm to Beetlejuice
How in the hell do you know LSU wouldn't have success with a new HC? So you would just rather continue on a trail we have been on for multiple years now? When is the right time? So you are saying we would fall into Texas's footsteps if we let go of Miles? Go ahead give Miles next year, but it's great season or bye Felicia Mr. Hire and fire people guy
This post was edited on 11/29/15 at 7:05 pm
Posted on 11/29/15 at 7:06 pm to Beetlejuice
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LSU was perfectly happy with Les Miles until the losing streak.
Perfectly happy with Les? What?
It's been all down hill since 2011. and even before that ppl were not completely satisfied with him. He's had 4 entire seasons to correct his blunders and still nothing.
I think ppl were happy that LSU was winning...no one was happy with the way we were winning. We were barley squeaking by teams we should beat by 40.
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