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Posted on 3/24/11 at 7:17 pm to RammerJammerBammer
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ITS TSHIRT TIME
#WINNING
Posted on 3/24/11 at 7:24 pm to tigercross
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Is Peterson within a standard deviation of what we would expect?? It seems, based on statistics, that the black guys scoring in the high 20s and 30s are more surprising than Peterson.
I do not know the SD for the Wonderlic? But based on the IQ conversion (which is an estimate), yes. An SD is 15. On avarega blacks score an 85 IQ. He was roughly 1/2 SD below that.
I am more surprised by the super low scores than higher scores even with that population, as those taking the wonderlic are a "somewhat skewed" population. By that, I mean it they are not representative of the general and overall population. Those talking the wonderlic attended college. So you are choosing from a groups who at least qualified for college. Yes, I know they are athletes. But thaey did qualify.
Posted on 3/24/11 at 7:27 pm to fightingtiger2335
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Patrick Petersen did not understand a single word of that.
Don't you have a Trent Johnson is the bestest corch in college basketball meeting to go to?
The other 6 Johnson fans gonna be pissed. Trent's bringing more pizza brah.
Posted on 3/24/11 at 9:34 pm to miketiger
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IQ tests are racist.
some actually argue that. Even the block deign subtest where all one has to do is put blocks together to make designs.
This post was edited on 3/24/11 at 9:35 pm
Posted on 3/24/11 at 9:39 pm to tigercross
You used research performed in 1994. IQ test were culturally biased and contained material, words, phrases, etc.. that were common in the white household. Not fair to other cultures and not acceptable to use in order to prove a point today.
Added: SES may be a better indication of IQ. Stronger correlation.
Added: SES may be a better indication of IQ. Stronger correlation.
This post was edited on 3/24/11 at 9:49 pm
Posted on 3/24/11 at 9:53 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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some actually argue that. Even the block deign subtest where all one has to do is put blocks together to make designs.
And one post later, someone actually did make that argument. Even though they have developed new IQ tests in the past 20 years and blacks still score 1 std dev less than whites.
Posted on 3/24/11 at 9:55 pm to tigers19LSU1
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You used research performed in 1994. IQ test were culturally biased and contained material, words, phrases, etc.. that were common in the white household. Not fair to other cultures and not acceptable to use in order to prove a point today.
Inaccurate. The data hold true in studies today, even on nonverbal IQ tests. Even on the block design subtest where all one has to do is put blocks together to make shapes. Same holds true in blacks raised by middle-class white families. You need to familiarize yourself with intelligence test such as the Wechsler Scales, Stanford-Binet and TONI (Test of Nonverbal Intelligence) and the research on them, as well as the specifics on racial differences.
Simply because on groups scores differently than another does not mean the measure is biased or unfair. There are racial differences in physical attributes, physical functioning, genes, medical diseases. Why is it so hard to believe that differences do not exists in the brain or in intellectual functioning.
Posted on 3/24/11 at 9:57 pm to tigercross
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And one post later, someone actually did make that argument. Even though they have developed new IQ tests in the past 20 years and blacks still score 1 std dev less than whites.
Across all SES's, YES. In the same SES, NO.
Posted on 3/24/11 at 9:58 pm to tigers19LSU1
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Added: SES may be a better indication of IQ. Stronger correlation.
Inaccurate. EVEN when SES is controlled for, the differences still exist. Yes, there is a correlation. But those are are more intelligent are more likely to have a higher social and economic status. Significant racial differences are found even in children as young as one Bayley Scales of Infant Development) and yes, even those raised in middle class white families.
Posted on 3/24/11 at 10:00 pm to LSUTANGERINE
All PP needs to know how to do is sign his name on his paychecks. and count his money. With a score of 9, he may have to hire someone to count the money. He will be fine
Posted on 3/24/11 at 10:02 pm to cajun12
quote:or sucker him into bad investments that leaves him broke like so many other former athletes and entertainers
he may have to hire someone to count the money
Posted on 3/24/11 at 10:02 pm to LSUTANGERINE
You make a good point. From what I have studied, studies show that individuals in the same position(SES, two parent household, etc..) score in the same range.
Posted on 3/24/11 at 10:03 pm to tigers19LSU1
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Across all SES's, YES. In the same SES, NO.
Incorrect. You are unfamiliar with the abundance of research. SUre you find the detractors will point to a study or two. But the overwhelming majority of studies and even mete-analytic studies show otherwise. SOme studies disputing racial difference have not only been found to be flawed, but same outright faked.
The racial differences data is so overwhelming that is is accepted by the psychological and cognitive scientific community, both black and white. These are people with PhDs in cognitive sciences, not someone on Tiger Rant.
This post was edited on 3/24/11 at 10:04 pm
Posted on 3/24/11 at 10:09 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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Incorrect. You are unfamiliar with the abundance of research. SUre you find the detractors will point to a study or two. But the overwhelming majority of studies and even mete-analytic studies show otherwise. SOme studies disputing racial difference have not only been found to be flawed, but same outright faked.
The racial differences data is so overwhelming that is is accepted by the psychological and cognitive scientific community, both black and white. These are people with PhDs in cognitive sciences, not someone on Tiger Rant.
Dude, it's not that serious. I'm ill-informed. I read flawed studies and your information is correct because you say so.
Posted on 3/25/11 at 8:49 am to roygu
frick Nick Saban you wear Crismon now buddy. I bet you do, I bet you have a picture by Saban's statue.
Posted on 3/25/11 at 8:59 am to tduecen
I don't put much confidence on the Wonderlic. Guys like PP are so physically gifted that they could just blow off the Wonderlic. Nobody is gonna overlook a stud like that because of some test.
Posted on 3/25/11 at 9:21 am to fightingtiger2335
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Patrick Petersen did not understand a single word of that.
But he was able to read his name and see you laughing below it. Prayers sent.
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