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Posted on 12/5/14 at 1:24 pm to Brageous
Yep I dont think we win many games with Jarrell fouling out and Mickey only playing 18 minutes
Well with TQ looking like he is going to replace Kobe we might have a chance
Well with TQ looking like he is going to replace Kobe we might have a chance
This post was edited on 12/5/14 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 12/5/14 at 1:54 pm to CheerWhine
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Yeah, ODU's not a bad loss, and even though Clemson is, winning at West Virginia more than makes up for it.
I also think UMass will be a Tournament team. If so this could be the week that pushes the Tigers from the bubble down into the suds.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 2:27 pm to bbap
it was a hard foul, but I haven't seen the rule describing what happened as a flagrant foul. just because it caused a bloody nose does not make it a flagrant foul. if his hand hit Hornsby on the forehead, even though contact was made above the shoulders, would we even be having this discussion?
Posted on 12/5/14 at 2:28 pm to T
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it was a hard foul, but I haven't seen the rule describing what happened as a flagrant foul
It really wasn't bad, just hit the wrong spot.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 2:35 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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An example of a Flagrant 1 foul would be when a player swings an elbow and makes illegal, non-excessive contact with an opponent above the shoulders. The team whose player was struck would receive two free throws and possession of the ball. Previously, this type of foul was called an intentional foul. The committee wanted to move away from the word “intentional,” because a player’s intent was never the point to the rule.
Doesnt matter how hard or what the intent was. It was contact with an opposing player above the shoulders. Cut and dry flagrant 1.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 2:44 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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It really wasn't bad, just hit the wrong spot.
you could say the same thing about the Flagrant they gave LSU earlier
Posted on 12/5/14 at 2:54 pm to Choctaw
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It really wasn't bad, just hit the wrong spot.
you could say the same thing about the Flagrant they gave LSU earlier
I wasn't disputing it being a flagrant foul, which is why I put "hit the wrong spot."
Posted on 12/5/14 at 2:55 pm to T
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it was a hard foul, but I haven't seen the rule describing what happened as a flagrant foul. just because it caused a bloody nose does not make it a flagrant foul. if his hand hit Hornsby on the forehead, even though contact was made above the shoulders, would we even be having this discussion?
Yes i do, unless the refs completely missed it and hornsby didnt sell it. I have no doubt the kid didnt mean to pop his nose. But that really doesnt matter imo. He swiped high above his shoulders and caused contact. That's been an automatic flagrant 1 for several years now in college.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 2:55 pm to More beer please
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Doesnt matter how hard or what the intent was. It was contact with an opposing player above the shoulders. Cut and dry flagrant 1.
Precisely. If Elbert's elbow was a flagrant 1, smacking the shite out of Hornsby in the face with an open hand should be too.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 2:56 pm to More beer please
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Doesnt matter how hard or what the intent was. It was contact with an opposing player above the shoulders. Cut and dry flagrant 1.
there is nothing cut and dry about it. if it was there would be flagrant fouls called almost every time big guys are battling for a rebound inside just because one guy made contact with another guys head.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 2:59 pm to T
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there is nothing cut and dry about it.
Yes there is.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 3:19 pm to More beer please
I feel for Scone and his family, but he was real quick to beat up LSU for the negatives last night. Talking about all the turnovers and dumb fouls including the one on Robinson, which he failed to mention was accidental.
He just rubs me the wrong way when it comes to LSU sports. Baby steps...we saw a lot more positives than negatives last night. I don't think the play of TQ could be mentioned enough. Odo also had some big minutes and played solid at times.
He just rubs me the wrong way when it comes to LSU sports. Baby steps...we saw a lot more positives than negatives last night. I don't think the play of TQ could be mentioned enough. Odo also had some big minutes and played solid at times.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 3:22 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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It really wasn't bad, just hit the wrong spot.
By rule, that should have been a Flagrant 1. There is no mention of intent or accidental in the rule. If any hard contact is made above the shoulders it is a flagrant 1, incidental or not. The football rule for contact above the shoulders is much the same. Malice aforethought is not necessary for the ruling to be made.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 3:26 pm to More beer please
from the NCAA rulebook
Section 15. Foul
Art. 2.
c. Flagrant 1 personal foul. A flagrant 1 personal foul is a personal foul that
is deemed excessive in nature and/or unnecessary, but is not based solely
on the severity of the act. Examples include, but are not limited to:
1. Causing excessive contact with an opponent;
2. Contact that is not a legitimate attempt to play the ball or player,
specifically designed to stop or keep the clock from starting;
3. Pushing or holding a player from behind to prevent a score;
4. Fouling a player clearly away from the ball who is not directly
involved with the play, specifically designed to stop or keep the clock
from starting; and
5. Contact with a player making a throw-in.
6. Illegal contact caused by swinging of an elbow which is deemed
excessive or unnecessary but does not rise to the level of a flagrant 2
personal foul (see Rule 4-18.7)
Section 15. Foul
Art. 2.
c. Flagrant 1 personal foul. A flagrant 1 personal foul is a personal foul that
is deemed excessive in nature and/or unnecessary, but is not based solely
on the severity of the act. Examples include, but are not limited to:
1. Causing excessive contact with an opponent;
2. Contact that is not a legitimate attempt to play the ball or player,
specifically designed to stop or keep the clock from starting;
3. Pushing or holding a player from behind to prevent a score;
4. Fouling a player clearly away from the ball who is not directly
involved with the play, specifically designed to stop or keep the clock
from starting; and
5. Contact with a player making a throw-in.
6. Illegal contact caused by swinging of an elbow which is deemed
excessive or unnecessary but does not rise to the level of a flagrant 2
personal foul (see Rule 4-18.7)
Posted on 12/5/14 at 3:34 pm to Choctaw
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It really wasn't bad, just hit the wrong spot. you could say the same thing about the Flagrant they gave LSU earlier
elbows are a whole different animal compared to fouls committed with an open hand.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 4:55 pm to Choupique19
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Last night he once dribbled through the entire zone press of WVU. He dribbled out of one double team, past another defender and pushed the ball into the front court. I was like, "why aren't you passing... oh, ok."
He just needs to watch out for his feet. I swear half of his TOs were off his own foot.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 4:59 pm to bubbz
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I feel for Scone and his family, but he was real quick to beat up LSU for the negatives last night. Talking about all the turnovers and dumb fouls including the one on Robinson, which he failed to mention was accidental.
Don't listen to him when it comes to LSU hoops. He doesn't know what he's talking about and doesn't care to know.
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