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Posted on 12/11/23 at 11:47 pm to LSUbasketballfan
With the Heisman Trophy excitement and the Women’s basketball drama, men’s basketball is out of sight and out of mind right now and I think they consider that a good thing.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 6:27 am to MikeEhrmantraut
quote:I agree.
he part of the fan base, who are Wade loyalists, can’t seem to let it go
quote:I don't know of anyone that thinks this....they may want that, and they may fear another SEC team will hire Will in a couple of year....Hell Cal and Pearl were.
and irrationally think LSU will somehow rehire him.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 7:13 am to Tiger Ugly
Didn’t the sanctions just recently finally get lifted? I think we still have one less scholarship this year and next and then they’re all completely in the rear view.
I know it’s not a total excuse but it’s that much harder to build under a cloud like that. And really all of last year, which was year 1, we didn’t know how bad or how long the punishments would be. It makes recruiting (which lsu bball isn’t exactly known for) that much harder.
In my mind, this is really year 1. I don’t know if CMM is the future but I’m willing to at least let this season play out and MAYBE next season as well (if we see some growth/maturity this season, lots of ball left).
More glass half full, SW deserves the benefit of the doubt from ALL Tiger fans as this point. If CMM ain’t it, he’ll get it fixed.
I know it’s not a total excuse but it’s that much harder to build under a cloud like that. And really all of last year, which was year 1, we didn’t know how bad or how long the punishments would be. It makes recruiting (which lsu bball isn’t exactly known for) that much harder.
In my mind, this is really year 1. I don’t know if CMM is the future but I’m willing to at least let this season play out and MAYBE next season as well (if we see some growth/maturity this season, lots of ball left).
More glass half full, SW deserves the benefit of the doubt from ALL Tiger fans as this point. If CMM ain’t it, he’ll get it fixed.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 10:14 am to mwade91383
LSU basketball IS known for recruiting top players.
We are top 10 all-time in signing McDonald's/Parade AAs.
Every coach since Dale has signed top notch players (even Trent, and especially Johnny's worthless arse).
Coaching and our administration is what holds us back.
I don't think you understand how powerful of a brand LSU is. I live in VB, Virginia, and CONSTANTLY get a geaux tigahs, or ellll essss yooooh from young black males (our primary recruiting demographic) whenever I wear my LSU gear around town.
If we EVER get the right coach in place (and we just had his arse), and support him and not back down at the first sign of trouble from the media and NCAA, you'll see just how great LSU basketball can be. I've seen it before, and it can happen again.
We are top 10 all-time in signing McDonald's/Parade AAs.
Every coach since Dale has signed top notch players (even Trent, and especially Johnny's worthless arse).
Coaching and our administration is what holds us back.
I don't think you understand how powerful of a brand LSU is. I live in VB, Virginia, and CONSTANTLY get a geaux tigahs, or ellll essss yooooh from young black males (our primary recruiting demographic) whenever I wear my LSU gear around town.
If we EVER get the right coach in place (and we just had his arse), and support him and not back down at the first sign of trouble from the media and NCAA, you'll see just how great LSU basketball can be. I've seen it before, and it can happen again.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 10:18 am to crewdepoo
quote:
Fatward killed the program when he didn't support wade
Support WW how?? And just what did WW do?? Just curious of your answers.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 10:58 am to mwade91383
I understand what you are saying, but you cannot ignore last year completely. If he somehow had a better team last year, which is appearing likely, he will be fired end of this year I believe.
He needs to show some level of improvement from last year to keep his job. I believe everything was announced in terms of sanctions prior to transfer portal being opened, so he was not hampered by that this year.
He needs to show some level of improvement from last year to keep his job. I believe everything was announced in terms of sanctions prior to transfer portal being opened, so he was not hampered by that this year.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 11:20 am to SouthernInsanity
quote:WW packed the PMAC. He got us to the tourney.
Support WW how?? And just what did WW do?? Just curious of your answers.
There are plenty of coaches and programs that waited out the ncaa and got nothing. I think Woodward just wanted his own guy.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 11:34 am to SouthernInsanity
quote:
And just what did WW do??
Won.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 11:57 am to Solo Cam
quote:Secret poster that Woodward pays out of his wife's checking account!
Woodward will fix it. Chill out
Posted on 12/12/23 at 12:00 pm to Jack Crevalle
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But man, this is some depressing shite trying to to watch the product on the court right now.
Saturday was eye opening seeing it live.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 12:36 pm to mwade91383
quote:
idn’t the sanctions just recently finally get lifted? I think we still have one less scholarship this year and next and then they’re all completely in the rear view.
I know it’s not a total excuse but it’s that much harder to build under a cloud like that. And really all of last year, which was year 1, we didn’t know how bad or how long the punishments would be. It makes recruiting (which lsu bball isn’t exactly known for) that much harder.
Here's where I stand on that Mwade. We can debate the extent to which we believe what happened before here has affected the players CMM has been able to get here to this point and we have here constantly.
But whatever you think of our relative talent can anyone honestly say they can see development, or improvement in that talent or that we have gotten that talent to it's potential. For myself I can't see any - in fact i thought we regressed as the year went on last year and I can only hope that does not happen again because there are IMHO at least 8 or 9 SEC teams as good or better than that K-State team that just came in here and beat us by 15 without their best player.
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In my mind, this is really year 1. I don’t know if CMM is the future but I’m willing to at least let this season play out and MAYBE next season as well (if we see some growth/maturity this season, lots of ball left).
More glass half full, SW deserves the benefit of the doubt from ALL Tiger fans as this point. If CMM ain’t it, he’ll get it fixed.
I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt this year but if I see what I saw at the end of last year....
This post was edited on 12/12/23 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 12/12/23 at 12:40 pm to mwade91383
quote:
I know it’s not a total excuse but it’s that much harder to build under a cloud like that. And really all of last year, which was year 1, we didn’t know how bad or how long the punishments would be. It makes recruiting (which lsu bball isn’t exactly known for) that much harder.
Except it didn't
Despite the "shroud of negativity" and "looming sanctions" McMahon actually signed a very solid HS class in his first season. Cam Ward was 4/5 star top 20-30 prosppect (depending on the ranking service). Jalen Reed was a 4 star top 50-60 prospect. Shawn Phillips was a 4 star prospect rated just outside the top 100...with one service ranking him 54th. To date, that is the BEST HS class McMahon has signed. And he did it on the heels of just getting the job and Wade being fired.
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In my mind, this is really year 1
That's the issue. You have an incorrect impression of both the state of the LSU program and the state of college basketball in general. Total rebuilds can happen literally in one offseason. This isn't an era where a coach takes a team with a depleted roster and has only the JUCO ranks and HS signees available to him to immediately improve. Since the one-free-transfer rule went into effect you are routinely seeing over 1,000 players enter the portal each year. That abundance of players allows coaches to completely change their roster from year to year. And that is in addition to the HS signees and JUCO avenues still available.
Forget where things started in the 2022 offseason. Where they ended was with a roster virtually everyone who followed college basketball for a living felt was good enough to compete in the middle of a very strong SEC. Some even projected LSU as a fringe NCAA Tournament team.
It wasn't that. Or anything close. It was the worst team in the SEC. Were many a bit too bullish on the roster? Probably. But it is a far cry between coming up a bit short of preseason expectations and being one of the worst major conf. programs in America. That is on poor coaching.
So McMahon chose to flip the roster again this year. 8 new players on this roster. Yet, the results are no different. In fact, they are arguably worse. LSU didn't lose, at home, to a Nichols St. type team last season. Nor did they lose in double-digit blowouts to major conf. opponents. K-State is a solid Big 12 team. Syracuse is probably a bottom 1/3rd ACC team this season, but both are comparable to the caliber of opponent LSU will face in the SEC this season. I don't see how anyone can think the early results are encouraging.
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SW deserves the benefit of the doubt from ALL Tiger fans as this point. If CMM ain’t it, he’ll get it fixed.
Based upon what, exactly? His football, baseball and WBB hires? That is a very illogical way of looking at things. The reason is because LSU MBB does not have the cache in the coaching marketplace that LSU football and baseball have in their respective sports. If you are a college football or baseball coach, LSU is a pinnacle and highly desirable destination in the market. Both have championship pedigrees that have been proven over time.
Now, you can say that isn't the case for WBB...and you'd be right. But the WBB marketplace had something (at least to my knowledge) the MBB doesn't. A HOF, multiple national championship winning coach who happened to grow up roughly an hour away from Baton Rouge, and who also had a son attend LSU. Kim Mulkey doesn't leave the championship caliber program at Baylor that she built to go anywhere...except LSU. That's because LSU had the one thing no other major conf. school could offer Mulkey, including Baylor, home.
That reality makes the LSU MBB job probably the toughest in which to make the "right" hire. A guy with a resume similar to Brian Kelly in football or Jay Johnson in baseball is not leaving their program to come to LSU. Kelvin Sampson, Mark Few, Scott Drew, John Calipari, Mick Cronin, etc, etc, don't need to leave their programs to come to LSU to achieve their goals. In fact, they'd probably be LESS likely to achieve success by coming to LSU.
So that puts LSU in a different marketplace. One where the AD can't just search for the best mid-major resume in the stack and say "Well, there's our guy". Hell, McMahon, who was 31-3 in his final season at Murray St. had the best resume of any of the mid-major HCs hired in the SEC last season. So while there is every reason to have confidence in Woodward in making a football or baseball hire, there is less so in MBB.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 12:42 pm to LSUbasketballfan
quote:
When the product on the court is as bad as it is, you have to do something to generate at least some interest.
frick promotions.
quote:
You have to do somerthing to generate interest
It's called: WIN
Posted on 12/12/23 at 1:10 pm to Alt26
quote:Suuure. Let's forget zero players, zero recruits, and the NOA. Let's ignore that no program ever rebounded from all that in a few months.
Forget where things started in the 2022 offseason
quote:And we all know now how completely ridiculous those predictions were. Yet you bring it up again and again and again.
Where they ended was with a roster virtually everyone who followed college basketball for a living felt was good enough to compete in the middle of a very strong SEC. Some even projected LSU as a fringe NCAA Tournament team.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 3:33 pm to La Place Mike
quote:
And just what did WW do??
Won.
Cheated. FIFY
Posted on 12/12/23 at 3:58 pm to Kimist
quote:
Cheated. FIFY
How? Who were the LSU Basketball players that Wade paid to come play?
Posted on 12/12/23 at 4:29 pm to MikeEhrmantraut
quote:
Woodward needs to answer to the fanbase by at least stating his current position on the state of the program and his vision regarding it’s future.
What exactly do you expect here? He has a coach at year 1.5 in a complete rebuild from smoldering embers. You want him to come out and make a statement about what?
Posted on 12/12/23 at 4:51 pm to poochie
Woodward doesn't even go to the men's basketball games. I don't blame him. The team is bad and he is responsible.
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