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re: LSU 9th in the nation in time of possession
Posted on 1/5/15 at 9:07 am to TigerBait1127
Posted on 1/5/15 at 9:07 am to TigerBait1127
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And if you have a dominant offense, wouldn't you want to run more plays?
Well, we don't. So shortening the game is advantageous for us. It's how our terrible offense was able to keep the bama game close. It's how we won the Ole Miss game. It's how we won the A&M game. Controlling the pace of the game is what we do. It's why we usually are always in the game late. It can be frustrating to watch , but it is effective.
Think of it this way: If we played Oregon, would you want them to get 10 possessions or 5?
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Posted on 1/5/15 at 9:12 am to LNCHBOX
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So shortening the game is advantageous for us.
I completely agree with that strategy this year
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Think of it this way: If we played Oregon, would you want them to get 10 possessions or 5?
Obviously depends on the score of the game. If it was 14-0 at the end of the 1st, I'd rather LSU try and extend the game and go downfield
I'm really just saying that defense really impacts this stat. A good defense obviously gets you the ball more.
2013 - 48th in TOP b/c the defense was crap.
You can be explosive and still dominate TOP - see the Saints in 2013, 2011, etc.
This post was edited on 1/5/15 at 9:13 am
Posted on 1/5/15 at 9:16 am to TigerBait1127
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You can be explosive and still dominate TOP - see the Saints in 2013, 2011, etc.
Well yea, when you have Drew brees completing at a 70% clip, you are basically just having long running plays that still run clock
I totally get what you're saying though. 
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I'm really just saying that defense really impacts this stat. A good defense obviously gets you the ball more
True, I just think LSU is built to control the clock with the running game and shorten the game. Unfortunately when your offense comes up a bit short or the defense blows a late lead, you end up with a 5 loss season and ugly stats to go with it.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 9:40 am to TigerBait1127
which would you rather? Say you can have 35 points however you get them. Would you rather 5 12 play drives eating up 30 minutes of clock, or 5 1 play quick scores that take 2 minutes?
You take points however you can, but controlling the tempo of the game with sustained drives, coupled with a great defense is always better.
And one thing you are missing in all of this top talk is the amount of plays run by both teams.
You take points however you can, but controlling the tempo of the game with sustained drives, coupled with a great defense is always better.
And one thing you are missing in all of this top talk is the amount of plays run by both teams.
This post was edited on 1/5/15 at 9:44 am
Posted on 1/5/15 at 9:43 am to easy money
Tamus offense isn't great. It is one dimensional. They can't run the ball.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 9:44 am to easy money
We've been talking about this all season. We can move the ball down the field, but our lack of a passing game kills us in the redzone.
This post was edited on 1/5/15 at 9:49 am
Posted on 1/5/15 at 9:47 am to Fratigerguy
Well, in your scenarios, the offense that had 5 1-play scores probably only scored in half their drives. The other offense probably scored on 80% of the drives. So the one that scores more efficiently. If you have better athletes than your opponent, then i want more chances to score and defend. As long as both offenses score at the same efficiency, it doesnt matter much.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 9:48 am to Fratigerguy
Dp
This post was edited on 1/5/15 at 9:49 am
Posted on 1/5/15 at 9:54 am to josh336
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As long as both offenses score at the same efficiency, it doesnt matter much.
This is ridiculous. So if we play Oregon and are guaranteed to score on 75% of our drives, you're saying there is no difference in whether we give a team 6 possessions or 12?
Reducing the number of times we have to stop them is a huge advantage.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 9:59 am to LNCHBOX
You dont uderstand?
If you are scoring with the same efficiency, you will score twice as muc or however mich more depending on how long it takes you to score. You have to stop them more, but you have more room for error because you have scored alot more.There isnt much of a difference. I just prefer more chances to stop the oppostion because we generally have better athletes.
If you are scoring with the same efficiency, you will score twice as muc or however mich more depending on how long it takes you to score. You have to stop them more, but you have more room for error because you have scored alot more.There isnt much of a difference. I just prefer more chances to stop the oppostion because we generally have better athletes.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:01 am to LNCHBOX
Using 80% scoring efficiency.
You score 4 out of 5 possesions for 28 points.
Or you score 8 out of 10 possesions for 56 points.
You score 4 out of 5 possesions for 28 points.
Or you score 8 out of 10 possesions for 56 points.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:01 am to josh336
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You dont uderstand?
I understand fine, apparently you don't.
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You have to stop them more, but you have more room for error because you have scored alot more.
Against a team like Oregon, why on earth would you want to have to defend them more?
And your hypothetical situation is flawed because we don't have an offense like the one you describe. LSU benefits from shortening the game. It's why we beat Ole Miss, and had a shot at the and to beat Bama.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:03 am to josh336
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it doesnt matter how long you possess the ball. Redzone offense, yards per play, and efficiency
You realize every thing you've cited are RESULTS of winning TOP? Football is basically a game of keep away: whoever keeps the ball the longest wins.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:03 am to LNCHBOX
Either scenario, you have to stop oregon the same percentage of times to beat them.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:04 am to josh336
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More proof that TOP is a pretty useless stat
The OP literally proves the opposite.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:06 am to jonboy
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You realize every thing you've cited are RESULTS of winning TOP? Football is basically a game of keep away: whoever keeps the ball the longest wins.
Or i could reverse it and say TOP is dependent on the success of your defense and your offensive efficiency. The more furst downs you convert, regardless of how you get them, increases your TOP. Also, being ahead in the game in the 2nd half leads to more running the ball, and leads to a greater TOP
Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:07 am to jonboy
And yards per play and redzone efficiency isnt necessarily a product of TOP
Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:10 am to josh336
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Either scenario, you have to stop oregon the same percentage of times to beat them.
And do you think Oregon will be more likely to core if you give them more chances to score? Stopping them is a big deal. Giving them more possessions just guarantees they'll score more points.
Oregon has the 2nd rated scoring offense with the 117th ranked TOP. Obviously limiting their possessions is key to beating them.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:11 am to Fratigerguy
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which would you rather? Say you can have 35 points however you get them. Would you rather 5 12 play drives eating up 30 minutes of clock, or 5 1 play quick scores that take 2 minutes?
Well that is a pretty stupid way to look at it IMO.
I'd rather the more efficient and balanced one. An explosive offense makes an offense more likely to be able to extend drives. If I have a great offense, I want to score as often as possible. Purposely eating the clock makes sense when you're at an offensive disadvantage, like we were this year.
A great, high scoring, explosive offense can make the other offense 1 dimensional.
This post was edited on 1/5/15 at 10:14 am
Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:14 am to LNCHBOX
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Oregon has the 2nd rated scoring offense with the 117th ranked TOP. Obviously limiting their possessions is key to beating them.
You mean to tell me the team that is playing for the national title next week isnt in the top 100 in te country in TOP? Man, what a great measure of success that stat is!
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