re: Looking for insightful discussion about the UW -LSU game. (long)

And the '14 team got dump trucked by State and Auburn

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Not sorry. We're going to spank y'all.

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Which # will y'all be wearing again?

All of this is just useless talk. My team is better than yours, blah, blah, blah

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My team is better than yours, blah, blah, blah

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It is though..

Lol they gave up over 50 points to GA and FL in 08. Went 8-5 and needed a huge rally to beat TROY!? Nah man the correct answer is the 08 team

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Clement was on the Heisman watch list going into last year. You're talking like he's just an average player. He'll get his behind a more experience OLine.

I don't think UW wins by any means, but I like how many of you think it will be a walk in the park. Being the underdog is fun.

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I did say ya'll were getting him back healthy along with an improved OL, but at the same time, I'm not impressed with Clement like I was with Gordon though. It's not to say Clement is bad, but Clement was a non factor vs that crap-tastical run defense we had in the 1st half of the 2015 season (15 carries 45 yards 1 TD), while at the same time, Melvin Gordon pretty much had a field day (16 carries 140 yards 1 TD). He also hasn't had a decent game vs a decent opponent yet. Your backups to him looked average at best last year as well.

I do like your front 7 though, but how well do they perform in their first game without Aranda, against a team loaded with talent and experience?

Y'all will probably give us a game for the 1st quarter or half, but it'll get embarrassing in the second half for Wisconsin.

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We heard the same shite spewing from LSU fans two years ago

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And you lost to Anthony Jennings.

Wisconsin is the definition of Slow 10. LSU will run circles around the Badgers. Look forward to your team being competitive for 1 qtr before the blowout begins. If I was you I would make dinner reservations for half time because you and your fans will be heading for the exits at that time! Enjoy

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Didn't say he'd start, but he would get his carries. Hell, he had 900 yards backing up Melvin as a So. Come on... give in a little bit, LSU doesn't corner the market on stud players, other teams have some too.

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Look, I doubt Clement would take many carries from Fournette or Guice, a guy almost just as good behind him.

Statistically the best rush defense Wisconsin faced in 2014 was was 34th Ohio State. Clement had 5 carries for 14 yards 2 rec 12 yards. The second best rush defense he faced was 46th LSU where he had 15 carries for 45 yards and 1 TD. Next was Iowa at 66th, but he only ran once. IMO, Clement has yet to prove himself vs any defense that wasn't crap.

Compare Fournette in 2015 as a sophomore. Versus the #1 rush defense, he had 31 yards on 19 carries with 1 TD. He had 19 carries for 91 yards 1 TD and 3 receptions for 36 yards vs the #12 rush defense in Arkansas. Against the #23 rush defense in Ole Miss, he had 25 carries for 108 yards (with a 59 yarder called back), and 4 receptions for 72 yards. Against the #26 rush defense he had 31 carries for 180 yards 2 TDs plus a 15 yard reception.

I even went back to both guys freshmen year and Clement hasn't proven himself against any defense worth a flip, while Fournette actually ran the ball well against Ole Miss, Alabama, and Florida as a freshman.

Clement is unproven, and I'm just telling you not to get your hopes up. I'm not saying he can't be good, but he has yet to have more than 1-2 opportunities and just watching him, he doesn't come close to Gordon IMO.

Well said post. Agreed with most of the stuff being said, Wisconsin is not a team to take as a Lightweight. I actually have them winning this one 28-24

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PIPEKING

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Jesus... talk about some rose-colored glasses...

Below is a summary of Wisconsin that I wrote in another thread that I was told was "thread-worthy." Note that there have been some slight changes (i.e. Farrar ran with the second-unit the first couple practices, but will likely resume starting role) since fall camp started a few days ago - not reflected in this post.

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Wisconsin will be breaking in a new quarterback. You're looking at either Bart Houston (R-Sr.) or Alex Hornibrook (R-Fr.). Hornibrook has a ton of upside, but some seem to think Houston might be the best play here to start off the season. We'll see what happens, but Houston has no shortage of arm talent. He was one of the highest-rated recruits out of HS, but has struggled with consistency for most of his career.

Wisconsin is deep at RB. Corey Clement is back after a tumultuous 2015. He admittedly came into the season looking at bolting for the NFL. Things didn't work-out as he dealt with a sports hernia injury for most of the season. Was never really 100%. Remains to be seen how he handles being a workhorse, but there is little doubt that he is one of the most physically-talented RBs Wisconsin has had.

Behind Clement will be Dare Ogunbowale and Taiwan Deal, both of whom deserve credit for being serviceable in 2015, running behind a banged-up, inexperienced OL. In particular, Ogunbowale was spending his first full-season at RB; he converted from DB. He'll be Wisconsin's change-of-pace back this season.

WR will be occupied by Rob Wheelwright and Jazz Peavy. Wheelwright has always had the talent, but has dealt with a number of injuries at Wisconsin, including a broken leg late last season. He's a big target at 6-foot-3. Peavy stepped in for Wheelwright last season and started a few games. I'm still not sold on this unit.

Under Paul Chryst, expect big things from the TE position. He utilizes them better than most coaches in the country. Troy Fumagalli is a big target at 6-foot-6 and has started several games over the last two seasons. Behind Fumagalli will be a pair of highly-touted players in Kyle Penniston and Jake Hescock, both young players that were four-star prospects in HS.

Wisconsin will be much-improved on the OL. It was a frustrating 2015 for this unit, but they also started four R-Fr., including Michael Deiter, Micah Kapoi, Beau Benzschwael, and Jacob Maxwell after losing Dan Voltz to injury. Voltz will return in 2016 and Wisconsin will add Ryan Ramczyk, who is a physical-freak.

Defensively, Wisconsin is a traditionally solid, disciplined unit. They've ranked inside the Top-25 in Total Defense for the last seven seasons and I don't think that changes this year. Of course, you can expect a drop-off after losing Dave Aranda.

The front-seven will be Wisconsin's strength. They are a talented, deep group. Vince Biegel, according to PFF, is the top-returning 3-4 OLB in the country.

Wisconsin will have a solid duo at CB. Sojourn Shelton will be a four-year starter and has been through it all. Opposite of him will likely be Derrick Tindal, who has been Wisconsin's nickel-back, but has also started multiple games throughout his career.

The huge worry is at the safety positions as Wisconsin replaces Michael Caputo and Tanner McEvoy. Arrington Farrar was a highly-touted, four-star safety out of HS that will be getting his first crack at a full-time starting role this season. Opposite of him is a bit tougher to gauge, but you'll see a mix between Leo Musso and D'Cota Dixon.

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For the TL;DR crowd... I do like Wisconsin's 2016 team more than 2015, but the brutal schedule won't reflect that. Don't know if we've seen a more difficult start to B1G play than Wisconsin's this season. It would be an accomplishment if Wisconsin went 2-3 against LSU, Michigan State, Michigan, Ohio State, and Iowa.

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There's this myth that Wisconsin doesn't feature NFL talent. I said this a few weeks ago that Wisconsin is No. 5 nationally in Top-75 picks since 2011, trailing only Alabama, LSU, Ohio State, and Florida State. Incredibly impressive. Now, of course, the opponent (LSU) has more Top-75 picks, as they should.