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re: Let's stop this narrative now - Etling =/= 2007 Flynn
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:01 pm to ShortyRob
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:01 pm to ShortyRob
It's just comical to me. There were a couple of points in 2007 where because of his shoulder and Ankle it looked like Flynn might not even be able to throw the ball 35 yards in the air. And yet he still performed like he did. Now we have people 10 years later looking at a fricking stat sheet and assessing him? It's ridiculous
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:01 pm to slackster
"game manager" is the new term for you suck at QB but aren't stupid and ruin your teams hopes.
F all of you Etling haters. Etling went the whole game with only two incomplete passes. A couple of his throws were difficult throws that hit the target.
One of his incompletes was a throw away which was a good decision. The other I don't remember off hand.
Sounds like he did EVERYTHING he could do. Damn near a perfect game from him. Sure he may not be the next coming of drew breez but F all of you that act like he is barely passable.
F all of you Etling haters. Etling went the whole game with only two incomplete passes. A couple of his throws were difficult throws that hit the target.
One of his incompletes was a throw away which was a good decision. The other I don't remember off hand.
Sounds like he did EVERYTHING he could do. Damn near a perfect game from him. Sure he may not be the next coming of drew breez but F all of you that act like he is barely passable.
This post was edited on 9/3/17 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:01 pm to dukke v
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You think Flynn SUCKED.......
, I think people severely overrate Flynn.
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Sorry but as of now... Etling is NO Flynn.....
As of now, through 11 starts at LSU, Etling is FAR more efficient than Flynn.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:04 pm to ShortyRob
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It's just comical to me. There were a couple of points in 2007 where because of his shoulder and Ankle it looked like Flynn might not even be able to throw the ball 35 yards in the air. And yet he still performed like he did. Now we have people 10 years later looking at a fricking stat sheet and assessing him? It's ridiculous
What is ridiculous is people who think Flynn was a game manager and/or Etling is Flynn-like.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:05 pm to slackster
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As of now, through 11 starts at LSU, Etling is FAR more efficient than Flynn.
Stats can fool you...........
But I agree.... I LOVED Flynn as A LEADER...............
THIS is what LSU fans need out of Etling..............
Stats can be shoved away..............
IF Etling can do what he did last night.. LSU will be fine... Esp if the D can continue to lay at the level they played last night......
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:05 pm to ShortyRob
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I also had to chuckle at someone referring to Mauck as a gunslinger. LOL.
i did he was not just a game manager like others. he threw for 28 TD's( that is slinging it) and had some great games. yes he had wheels. i stated that. great wheels. he ran option and could scramble and draws.
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On 3rd and 7 we were as likely to run a QB draw as anything else.
nah. you are mainly still thinking of 2001 SECCg and the 2002 season. he did not run all those draws in 2003 like previously. he still ran some though.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:06 pm to ShortyRob
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Flynn played most of his senior season lacking is normal Mobility because of a hurt ankle. In addition he hurt his shoulder and lost zip for most of the back half of the season
People really need to dig themselves out of just looking at stat boards.
So Flynn's injuries were the reason he wasn't efficient. It doesn't change the fact that he wasn't efficient, does it?
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:07 pm to slackster
quote:I don't do the QB comparing thing. But it's an absurdity to discuss Flynn's 2007 performance by looking at a stat sheet without knowing jackshit about what actually occurred. Really? You think the guy who limped through entire games on a bad right ankle and then played with a hurt shoulder on top of that was inefficient? Well no shite Sherlock
What is ridiculous is people who think Flynn was a game manager and/or Etling is Flynn-like.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:08 pm to dukke v
Yes it is true that stats can fool you but ignoring the stats is not good either and that is what people are doing with Etling.
You can be on a team that totally sucks and have crappy stats and have Peyton Manning as your name and vice versa.
So don't disregard Etlings stats out of hand because it doesn't fit your narrative.
You can be on a team that totally sucks and have crappy stats and have Peyton Manning as your name and vice versa.
So don't disregard Etlings stats out of hand because it doesn't fit your narrative.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:08 pm to Fat Bastard
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nah. you are mainly still thinking of 2001 SECCg and the 2002 season. he did not run all those draws in 2003 like previously. he still ran some though.
BUT... Making solid choices will be the key to how well LSU ends up this year... Both MM and Flynn did this... Its crucial for the QB position........
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:08 pm to slackster
quote:it shows the sum total of your evaluation technique was to look at a stat sheet. It shows that the only thing you actually know about the three quarterbacks you're talking about comes from a batch of numbers on paper. And that's fine. Maybe you aren't old enough to have seen all three of them I don't know. But regardless. There's a reason why Scouts and recruiters actually watch the guys play
Flynn's injuries were the reason he wasn't efficient. It doesn't change the fact that he wasn't efficient, does it?
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:08 pm to slackster
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It doesn't change the fact that he wasn't efficient, does it?
no
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:12 pm to Fat Bastard
quote:I liked him I really did. But at no point ever while watching him was I not fully aware that Saban was playing around his limitations. There's nothing wrong with that. He was a very good college quarterback. I don't tend to use Vague terms like game manager and other stuff like that because honestly the terms mean whatever the person saying them wants them to mean
i did he was not just a game manager like others. he threw for 28 TD's( that is slinging it) and had some great games. yes he had wheels. i stated that. great wheels. he ran option and could scramble and draws
This post was edited on 9/3/17 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:15 pm to ShortyRob
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it shows the sum total of your evaluation technique was to look at a stat sheet. It shows that the only thing you actually know about the three quarterbacks you're talking about comes from a batch of numbers on paper. And that's fine. Maybe you aren't old enough to have seen all three of them I don't know. But regardless. There's a reason why Scouts and recruiters actually watch the guys play
, I'm not making an assessment of which QB is a better pro prospect.
Hell, I think Flynn could have been an efficient game manager, but that's not what was asked of him.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:20 pm to slackster
Honestly I don't really care about the comparison and who is most like who. I don't find anything that similar to Flynn at all. When healthy Flynn was a much more natural Runner but etling is more mobile then he's probably given credit for. Of the three Flynn threw by far the best ball when healthy. I mean on that front it's just not even close.
But playing quarterback is often as much about your head as your arm and on that front etling seem solid.
I'm personally excited to see what canada can do with him this year. Like I said I don't use the term game manager really for any quarterback. It's too vague. I don't feel like this year we have a quarterback that we would want to have to sell out and pass with but fortunately that's not how we're built
If people want to say that a guy who probably shouldn't be asked to throw the ball 50 times is a game manager so what? I guess some people think that term is an insult but if it's an insult it describes 90% of the quarterbacks of ever played the game
But playing quarterback is often as much about your head as your arm and on that front etling seem solid.
I'm personally excited to see what canada can do with him this year. Like I said I don't use the term game manager really for any quarterback. It's too vague. I don't feel like this year we have a quarterback that we would want to have to sell out and pass with but fortunately that's not how we're built
If people want to say that a guy who probably shouldn't be asked to throw the ball 50 times is a game manager so what? I guess some people think that term is an insult but if it's an insult it describes 90% of the quarterbacks of ever played the game
This post was edited on 9/3/17 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:23 pm to slackster
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Hell, I think Flynn could have been an efficient game manager, but that's not what was asked of him.
YES it was... Just make plays when they come to you... That's what Flynn did....
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:24 pm to dukke v
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YES it was... Just make plays when they come to you... That's what Flynn did....
If that's what we're using as a definition of game manager then you can get rid of the term game manager and just say quarterback. Because that definition describes almost everybody not named Drew Brees Peyton Manning Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers
This post was edited on 9/3/17 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:25 pm to ShortyRob
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but if it's an insult it describes 90% of the quarterbacks of ever played the game
True. It is or has become an insult and absolutely 90% of the QB's fit that bill.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:43 pm to omegaman66
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Etling went the whole game with only two incomplete passes...One of his incompletes was a throw away which was a good decision. The other I don't remember off hand.
Three incompletions. Two were intentional throw aways, and the other was dropped by Moreau.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:43 pm to dukke v
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YES it was... Just make plays when they come to you... That's what Flynn did....
PJ, no, just no.
Flynn threw the ball 40+ times twice. He averaged 30 attempts per game. Hell, there were a few games with Flynn where we threw it more than we ran it. They asked a lot out of Flynn, and he did a good, not great, job answering the bell.
The work load for Etling is unlikely to be anywhere near that, but Etling is far more efficient.
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