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re: Let's revisit Breaux's fair/foul ball in the 9th
Posted on 5/26/16 at 2:44 pm to AFtigerFan
Posted on 5/26/16 at 2:44 pm to AFtigerFan
Yeah, it looks fair in that angle too but not 100 percent on that one. Thanks
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 2:46 pm to rilesrick
ETA: added horizontal lines for better reference.
This post was edited on 5/26/16 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 5/26/16 at 2:47 pm to AFtigerFan
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I guess I'm just arrogant, but this sure looks fair even from this angle.
Key word, this ANGLE. IMO, it's impossible to tell if the ball was in fair or foul territory from that angle (at the exact moment his glove touched).
If we had a camera view facing directly on the line, it would make it much clearer. Or, if there was some way to recreate scientifically with a line drawn straight down at the moment of contact. Someone may end up doing that.
I think it's impossible to be certain, 100%, with either of these angles.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 2:50 pm to Festus
Give it up. You're wrong. Look above. 
Posted on 5/26/16 at 2:53 pm to el gato
What formula did you use to get that?
Posted on 5/26/16 at 2:54 pm to AFtigerFan
Not saying you are arrogant, but you can't be 100% from the first angle either.
Look at his lean
Sure, his feet and most of his body are fair. But he's got a 45 degree lean, and the glove is outstretched.
If you ruled the ball hit his glove just foul, it would be pretty tough to argue one way or the other; and that's what the ref said happened, based on his POV straight down the line.
The main argument being made here (at least by me), is the technical one: the cameras are out of alignment with the line, several hundred feet away, and that creates false perspective and distortion. If you're going to set up a replay rule with overrule function on calls on the line, you need to address that, plain and simple. Camera straight down the lines, and leveled.
Look at his lean
Sure, his feet and most of his body are fair. But he's got a 45 degree lean, and the glove is outstretched.
If you ruled the ball hit his glove just foul, it would be pretty tough to argue one way or the other; and that's what the ref said happened, based on his POV straight down the line.
The main argument being made here (at least by me), is the technical one: the cameras are out of alignment with the line, several hundred feet away, and that creates false perspective and distortion. If you're going to set up a replay rule with overrule function on calls on the line, you need to address that, plain and simple. Camera straight down the lines, and leveled.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 2:54 pm to AFtigerFan
Ball was obviously foul watching it live. Anyone that argues that is blind.
Ball was obviously fair on the replay. Anyone that argues that is blind.
Obviously aliens manipulated the video. Anyone that argues that is blind!
Ball was obviously fair on the replay. Anyone that argues that is blind.
Obviously aliens manipulated the video. Anyone that argues that is blind!
Posted on 5/26/16 at 2:56 pm to Scoob
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Not saying you are arrogant, but you can't be 100% from the first angle either.
I agree with you. I said it appears to be fair in this picture, but I couldn't be 100% certain... although I was fairly certain. I only used the word "arrogant" because of Festus.
I should have had a wider view for the first angle showing the fence line so someone could extrapolate, but I don't feel like going back and doing it now. The picture a few posts above is clear as day.
This post was edited on 5/26/16 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 5/26/16 at 2:57 pm to AFtigerFan
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Give it up. You're wrong. Look above.
I'm wrong by saying the 2 angles you've posted weren't clear? Are you serious? Are you so arrogant that you've not even read my actual posts? Or just trouble comprehending English?
If what was posted above is scientifically correct, then it appears clear that it's fair (which I stated I thought, just not certain). I have no idea if what is posted is scientific.
Are you just lashing out because you feel bad for being called out about stating it was CLEAR from what you posted, when it actually wasn't?
Posted on 5/26/16 at 2:59 pm to Festus
Dude, it was clear. Please troll elsewhere. Holy shite dude, have a drink, take some blood pressure medicine, and/or get laid. 
Posted on 5/26/16 at 3:02 pm to slackster
The ball was obviously going to be fair. Who cares, we won
Posted on 5/26/16 at 3:06 pm to AFtigerFan
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gree with you. I said it appears to be fair in this picture, but I couldn't be 100% certain... although I was fairly certain. I only used the word "arrogant" because of Festus.
Here, let me help you. Here is what you actually said, quoted directly:
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skip to the 3:00 mark of this video clip where it is slowed down. It is clearly fair, and the umps got it right.
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There is no way someone can seriously argue otherwise after seeing the screen capture. It's time for people to take off their purple and gold glasses and just enjoy the win.
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I have no idea what you are seeing, but your mind is playing tricks on you.
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Because it clearly is fair. Have you looked at the screen capture posted earlier? That's from the video. Look at where the player is when the ball hits his glove. He is CLEARLY in fair territory, and the glove is CLEARLY in fair territory.
You've gone from that, to this:
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I said it appears to be fair in this picture, but I couldn't be 100% certain... although I was fairly certain.
Now, let the editing begin....
Posted on 5/26/16 at 3:08 pm to Festus
You really are an idiot, aren't you. Holy crap.
You do realize we were talking about the first angle, right? We aren't talking about the 2nd angle in which I said it was clearly fair. Wow, too easy. Oh wait, let your editing begin.
You do realize we were talking about the first angle, right? We aren't talking about the 2nd angle in which I said it was clearly fair. Wow, too easy. Oh wait, let your editing begin.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 3:12 pm to Festus
And just in case you are too lazy to look at the video again, the 3:00 mark is the 2nd angle, not the first.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 3:32 pm to slackster
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And for those of you who don't know, the position of Breaux's body is irrelevant.
Doesn't matter, he should have caught that shite.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 3:57 pm to WylieTiger
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Kramer, Breaux, Diechman, and even Stallings gave Florida life.
And Chris Reid. He didn't cover his base once on a bunt. He had ample time to get back for the force, but he seemed to think he had to apply the tag.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 4:22 pm to Festus
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Key word, this ANGLE. IMO, it's impossible to tell if the ball was in fair or foul territory from that angle (at the exact moment his glove touched). If we had a camera view facing directly on the line, it would make it much clearer. Or, if there was some way to recreate scientifically with a line drawn straight down at the moment of contact. Someone may end up doing that. I think it's impossible to be certain, 100%, with either of these angles.
You are absolutely correct. It is not possible to say with complete certainty if the ball was fair or not. You can't draw straight lines on an angled photo and come out with the correct solution. These posters arguing otherwise obviously have no concept of optics.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 4:43 pm to el gato
None of these still shots really prove anything (which is the real problem with the review). If the X and Y axes are not exactly centered, you will get distortion from any lens in existence, it's just how optics work. That's the reason companies like DXO can charge so much for their correction software, and even that is limited based on the angle you choose to correct.
The only way to accurately measure it is to align a camera exactly down the line.
The only way to accurately measure it is to align a camera exactly down the line.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 4:47 pm to Scoob
You are preaching to a choir of slow learners. They don't have the capacity to understand.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 4:48 pm to slackster
OP, that is a catch that a left fielder has to make at this level. Bottom line. No knocking the guy, but this is a moot point if he just nabs the ball.
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