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Lets journey back to when Les was an OC
Posted on 12/6/15 at 4:31 am
Posted on 12/6/15 at 4:31 am
Just learned this the other day and was taken by surprise. I mean I never really thought about Les's career before LSU. Its kind of a wonder he was ever hired as a HC.
Anyways, I had to look up some statistics and the results didnt surprise me. He held the OC position at Oklahoma State from 1995 to 1997...
In 95, Oklahoma State went 4-8 and averaged 20.8 points per game. Their starting QB threw for...
104/218 (47.7%) 1185 yards, 7 TDS, 11 Ints
and the RBS ran for...
2388 yards on 516 attempts (4.6 YPC) (199 YPG)
In 96, Oklahoma State went 5-6 and averaged 22.1 points per game. Their quarterbacks threw for...
145/279 (52.0%) 1820 yards, 9 TDS, 10 Ints
and the RBS ran for...
2456 yards on 528 attempts (4.6 YPC) (223.1 YPG)
In 97, Oklahoma Sate went 8-4 and averaged 29.3 points per game. Their quarterbacks threw for...
114/200 (57%) 1647 yards, 14 TDS, 8 Ints
and their RBS ran for
2486 yards on 593 attempts (4.2 YPC) (207.2 YPG)
As you can see while he was an offensive coordinator, all he did was count on a strong running game. His quarterbacks were not very well-developed, and he tried to hide them by not attempting to throw the ball as much (sound familiar?). How can you be a damn offensive coordinator and hide the most important position on the offensive side of the ball??
And while doing my research, one thing I found very interesting was how he climbed up the ladder to a HC position. He started at Michigan as a GA. Then he went to Colorado where one of his fellow Michigan assistants had been named HC. Then he went back to Michigan to coach under Schembechler. And then he went to Okie State where one of his Colorado buddies had been hired as head coach.
Les never branched out of the Schembechler style of play when working his way up the ranks. Instead he stayed in his comfort zone. Most coaches working their way up are able to learn the game by working under many different head coaches with different styles of play and different ways to approach each game. The only gameplan Les Miles has ever followed is hide your QB, and run the ball until you gas the opponent's defense. He simply doesn't understand football outside of that. Asking him to change his gameplan would be like asking a physicist to perform brain surgery on someone. They didn't study or practice it so they would have no idea how to do it.
Anyways, I had to look up some statistics and the results didnt surprise me. He held the OC position at Oklahoma State from 1995 to 1997...
In 95, Oklahoma State went 4-8 and averaged 20.8 points per game. Their starting QB threw for...
104/218 (47.7%) 1185 yards, 7 TDS, 11 Ints
and the RBS ran for...
2388 yards on 516 attempts (4.6 YPC) (199 YPG)
In 96, Oklahoma State went 5-6 and averaged 22.1 points per game. Their quarterbacks threw for...
145/279 (52.0%) 1820 yards, 9 TDS, 10 Ints
and the RBS ran for...
2456 yards on 528 attempts (4.6 YPC) (223.1 YPG)
In 97, Oklahoma Sate went 8-4 and averaged 29.3 points per game. Their quarterbacks threw for...
114/200 (57%) 1647 yards, 14 TDS, 8 Ints
and their RBS ran for
2486 yards on 593 attempts (4.2 YPC) (207.2 YPG)
As you can see while he was an offensive coordinator, all he did was count on a strong running game. His quarterbacks were not very well-developed, and he tried to hide them by not attempting to throw the ball as much (sound familiar?). How can you be a damn offensive coordinator and hide the most important position on the offensive side of the ball??
And while doing my research, one thing I found very interesting was how he climbed up the ladder to a HC position. He started at Michigan as a GA. Then he went to Colorado where one of his fellow Michigan assistants had been named HC. Then he went back to Michigan to coach under Schembechler. And then he went to Okie State where one of his Colorado buddies had been hired as head coach.
Les never branched out of the Schembechler style of play when working his way up the ranks. Instead he stayed in his comfort zone. Most coaches working their way up are able to learn the game by working under many different head coaches with different styles of play and different ways to approach each game. The only gameplan Les Miles has ever followed is hide your QB, and run the ball until you gas the opponent's defense. He simply doesn't understand football outside of that. Asking him to change his gameplan would be like asking a physicist to perform brain surgery on someone. They didn't study or practice it so they would have no idea how to do it.
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Posted on 12/6/15 at 4:35 am to NeverRains
quote:
I never really thought about Les's career before LSU. Its kind of a wonder he was ever hired as a HC.
Saban left LSU for the Miami Dolphins in January and LSU was late arriving at the coaching carousel. Les Miles was still there sitting on his painted pony so LSU took the best that was left.
Seriously, I believe Les Miles just views the passing game as a dangerous method of moving the football downfield regardless of who he has as QB. Honestly, I do not think it matters who LSU has as QB as long as Les Miles is the head coach. I think he believes that moving the ball on the ground with the RBs primarily but also with the QBs secondarily is the safer, better way to run an offense. Passing in general is just too risky and dangerous in his eyes and not as preferable.
I also think that he felt his offense this year was set up perfectly as to what an offense should be: that is, a strong experienced line with a super once in a generation RB. I think he felt that he could ride it to a championship. When that offense was stuffed, I think that it was apparent that he was taken aback and absolutely befuddled. You could tell that he did not understand.
He really is the classic old school Big Ten coach.
This post was edited on 12/6/15 at 4:47 am
Posted on 12/6/15 at 4:37 am to NeverRains
Great insight
Please leave
Please leave
Posted on 12/6/15 at 4:37 am to NeverRains
Well, that was a shitty journey
Posted on 12/6/15 at 4:55 am to NeverRains
Don't you guys get it yet.
Nobody that counts gives a damn what any of you think
Nobody that counts gives a damn what any of you think
Posted on 12/6/15 at 5:09 am to NeverRains
"Asking him to change his gameplan would be like asking a physicist to perform brain surgery on someone. They didn't study or practice it so they would have no idea how to do it"
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No, more like asking a burger flipper to be a brain surgeon.
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No, more like asking a burger flipper to be a brain surgeon.
Posted on 12/6/15 at 5:34 am to TGFN57
quote:
Nobody that counts gives a damn what any of you think
When has that stopped anyone from speaking their mind?
Posted on 12/6/15 at 5:42 am to NeverRains
Tldr
Posted on 12/6/15 at 6:02 am to John Keating
quote:
I also think that he felt his offense this year was set up perfectly as to what an offense should be: that is, a strong experienced line with a super once in a generation RB. I think he felt that he could ride it to a championship. When that offense was stuffed, I think that it was apparent that he was taken aback and absolutely befuddled. You could tell that he did not understand. He really is the classic old school Big Ten coach
you nailed it. and he ain't gonna change on offense. fortuanately he believes in defense also but letting chief have the keys is hurting him now. chiefs smaller, faster model killed this team against power running games which included notre dame.
I watched the big 10 championship last night and thought I was watching lsu vs arky
Posted on 12/6/15 at 6:04 am to SBC
quote:
Tldr
Then I read it, big mistake.
Posted on 12/6/15 at 6:05 am to NeverRains
Nice research and insight. Thanks for sharing!
Posted on 12/6/15 at 6:10 am to LSU GrandDad
And yet there is Michigan St. in the playoffs using the same offense you madden jockeys hate so much. Keep posting though,each one is good for a laugh.
Posted on 12/6/15 at 6:13 am to LSU GrandDad
quote:
I watched the big 10 championship last night and thought I was watching lsu vs arky
That game came down to the last few seconds.
LSU has been slaughtered by Arkansas the last two years now.
Posted on 12/6/15 at 6:14 am to TGFN57
Michigan State offense is not the lsu offense.
Posted on 12/6/15 at 6:22 am to NeverRains
You know we did pass effectively in Metts last year with Beckham and Landry. He will pass. He just has to have exceptional talent to let it happen.
Posted on 12/6/15 at 6:27 am to NeverRains
quote:
And while doing my research, one thing I found very interesting was how he climbed up the ladder to a HC position. He started at Michigan as a GA. Then he went to Colorado where one of his fellow Michigan assistants had been named HC. Then he went back to Michigan to coach under Schembechler. And then he went to Okie State where one of his Colorado buddies had been hired as head coach.
Here's another trend.
His career advances were from nepotism--a friend that knew him hired him. He did not develop a national reputation where he was in demand.
The significance?
He does the same thing and will hire his buddies, despite their questionable recent track record, as in BDP, Steele, Cameron.
Posted on 12/6/15 at 6:31 am to mauser
quote:
You know we did pass effectively in Metts last year with Beckham and Landry. He will pass. He just has to have exceptional talent to let it happen.
You miss the point though.
LSU's 2013 passing offense was somewhat effective not because Miles/Cameron "changed the gameplan."
It was still based on low-percentage passes downfield. We had very little yards-after-catch.
We DID have freakishly great WR's who made those low percentage catches while covered that Dural and Dupre cannot make.
And of course the empirical evidence is clear with the way Jarvis Landry and OBJ are performing in the NFL.
This post was edited on 12/6/15 at 6:36 am
Posted on 12/6/15 at 6:35 am to timlan2057
AND the most significant long-term trend for Les Miles-coached teams--AT LSU:
The most talent pipelined to the NFL with the least amount of hardware to show for that talent while they are playing in college.
The most talent pipelined to the NFL with the least amount of hardware to show for that talent while they are playing in college.
Posted on 12/6/15 at 6:50 am to TGFN57
Thats true , but everyone knows that beforehand ? 
Posted on 12/6/15 at 6:58 am to mauser
quote:
You know we did pass effectively in Metts last year with Beckham and Landry. He will pass. He just has to have exceptional talent to let it happen
So the only time we will ever be able to pass the ball is when we have two studs at WR an a NFL roster QB?
That's ridiculous
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