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re: Let's be realistic about Les's coaching abilities
Posted on 11/29/15 at 2:00 pm to SJS101
Posted on 11/29/15 at 2:00 pm to SJS101
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I don't deny that LSU and their current head coach has underperformed miserably.
Miserably? Wow! Whos done better in the west these past 4 years big boy? Who's your choice to replace him?
This post was edited on 11/29/15 at 2:05 pm
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Posted on 11/29/15 at 2:06 pm to FourthQuarter
I think the man is a pretty damn good coach.
I do not think he is a LEADER. And that's what this, or any team, needs.
The players, once they get down or things aren't going to plan, fall apart and seem directionless.
Maybe that's more about the assistants, which is what I'm mainly thinking about when I talk about leadership here.
The assistants seem unwilling to deviate from the path Miles established, right or wrong. It's easy to say "that's what the man wants" instead of fighting the good fight. Going with the flow, even when you know it's a bad path is NOT leadership.
They are either not being allowed to lead themselves (a failure in top-down leadership) or don't know how to (a failure in vetting/hiring practices of leadership). The coaches seem more lost and less motivated than the players at times.
It's a big time program, lots of moving pieces. Miles himself can't lead all the players all the time. So he must delegate and lead those delegates. Just like he won't trust his QB, he probably doesn't trust his coaches either. Yeah, ego is probably part of it. But the worse it gets, the more he tries to do himself and the downward spiral of a 1 man show will continue. It's a self fulfilling prophecy driven by Miles personally not leading his leaders and trying to be all things to all people.
I do not think he is a LEADER. And that's what this, or any team, needs.
The players, once they get down or things aren't going to plan, fall apart and seem directionless.
Maybe that's more about the assistants, which is what I'm mainly thinking about when I talk about leadership here.
The assistants seem unwilling to deviate from the path Miles established, right or wrong. It's easy to say "that's what the man wants" instead of fighting the good fight. Going with the flow, even when you know it's a bad path is NOT leadership.
They are either not being allowed to lead themselves (a failure in top-down leadership) or don't know how to (a failure in vetting/hiring practices of leadership). The coaches seem more lost and less motivated than the players at times.
It's a big time program, lots of moving pieces. Miles himself can't lead all the players all the time. So he must delegate and lead those delegates. Just like he won't trust his QB, he probably doesn't trust his coaches either. Yeah, ego is probably part of it. But the worse it gets, the more he tries to do himself and the downward spiral of a 1 man show will continue. It's a self fulfilling prophecy driven by Miles personally not leading his leaders and trying to be all things to all people.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 2:14 pm to I20goon
Les miles is a tremendous leader of men. What in the world are talking about? Did u not see how well he handled this past week?
He made a bad hire with Cam Cameron, it happens to all great coaches and leaders sooner or later. Small bump in the road for this man. He will learn from this and be even better going forward. My word some of u have lost all perspective.
He made a bad hire with Cam Cameron, it happens to all great coaches and leaders sooner or later. Small bump in the road for this man. He will learn from this and be even better going forward. My word some of u have lost all perspective.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 2:22 pm to LSUANDY25
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Whos done better in the west these past 4 years big boy
Bama dominance of us in the W-L column since the Natty Champ and consecutive years of being dominated by Arky is relevant.
But this is all that truly matters
2015 4th in the west
2014 5th in the west
2013 3rd in the west
2012 2nd in the west
2011 1st in the west
If you don't notice the trend with the talent we've fielded and recruited then I concede. Like I said. I'm thrilled for you that you're OK with where we are.
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Who's your choice to replace him?
Nobody. Miles is GOAT!
Posted on 11/29/15 at 2:23 pm to LSUANDY25
Considering the number of LSU players in the NFL, I think it is safe to say that Les is an elite recruiter! However, with that in mind, he clearly is underperforming as a season prep and game day head coach.
On that note, why the feck is it such a ball busting pain for us to simply run a play on offense. I am not even referring to our elementary, telegraphing formations and inept execution. I am talking about simply huddling, getting up to the line, and hiking the frigging ball! We look like a clown show every down...
On that note, why the feck is it such a ball busting pain for us to simply run a play on offense. I am not even referring to our elementary, telegraphing formations and inept execution. I am talking about simply huddling, getting up to the line, and hiking the frigging ball! We look like a clown show every down...
Posted on 11/29/15 at 2:24 pm to FourthQuarter
So a stagnant, ineffective coach is a good coach?
WTF are you babbling about?
WTF are you babbling about?
Posted on 11/29/15 at 2:27 pm to LSUANDY25
quote:How many OC's have we been through with no change (to the positive)? Cam is not an aberration. Cam is a continuance of the same problem, just this time it's his friend.
Les miles is a tremendous leader of men. What in the world are talking about? Did u not see how well he handled this past week?
He made a bad hire with Cam Cameron, it happens to all great coaches and leaders sooner or later. Small bump in the road for this man. He will learn from this and be even better going forward. My word some of u have lost all perspective.
How he handled himself is more about his personal character than leadership. And he was excellent in that. It's like a boss that's loved, handles himself awesome on conf calls... but then when it's all said and done you're still not sure what exactly to do and what the expectations are of you. So you wait on orders that never come. That's a boss that is a great guy, with a great personality, but a poor leader. The two do not necessarily correlate. The whole "character" and "great guy" equating to be a good CEO-type coach are part of the problem in the big picture here.
Ask yourself how many coaches have we seen underperform and it takes multiple years for them to be sent packing? I'm not talking horrible performance, I'm talking multiple coaches at one time not performing to expectations. That really hurts a team. Miles' loyalty to those coaches is not leadership when giving them more chances is considered leadership. His loyalty to players should be first. And that loyalty means giving them the best resources (coaching being one of them) every year. For a player to go 2 years under a underperforming coach and only get the best available for 1 year of his 3 year career at LSU is disingenuous and a mark of poor leadership. The goal is the best product on the field, which means best performing players on the field. When he's worried more about how he's perceived in the coaching ranks than if he makes playoffs or not, that's not good leadership.
This post was edited on 11/29/15 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 11/29/15 at 8:13 pm to 225Tyga
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And then describe the qualities that miles has, as they relate to a "good coaches"
He wins a considerable amount of games
Posted on 11/29/15 at 8:25 pm to FourthQuarter
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I think we are stagnant and can't get to Atlanta with Les as coach. But that doesn't make him bad or even average. He's a great coach.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 8:28 pm to LSUANDY25
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2012 - loses 3 OL week of theFlorida game in the frenzied swamp. And if Minter doesn't catch the cramps replaced by Welter who knows how that one would've ended up. Took miles all of 1 week to get back on track. who can do that? And still a screen pass away from playing for it all. Loses an entire defense early to NFL.
LSU had 22 scholarship players out for the UF game. Any other team would have crumbled. Instead Les kept the team afloat and was a few seconds away from winning the west.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 8:33 pm to FourthQuarter
Of course, now we can be assured at least 8 wins next year.We will play bama tough in tiger stadium but come up short as usual with this bozo.So glad you are happy! 
Posted on 11/29/15 at 8:35 pm to I20goon
Hit the nail on the head!! 
Posted on 11/29/15 at 8:39 pm to Dagoose
Miles is very different than most coaches. He doesn't change his game plan when the opponent keys in on the plan. He, oddly enough, reverts to the base plan. That's his personality and it won't change. Saying this, I think he is a good coach. However, i know with absolute certainty he is not a great coach. Great coaches know their weakness and surround themselves with people to fill that void.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 4:12 pm to I20goon
Obviously u haven't led a thing in your life. Leadership is one of his strongest traits. Now it's a leadership issue lmao. Is he a great recruiter or a great developer of talent? He rarely wins the recruiting title but somehow puts more in the league than the guy that wins the award most years. He's not worried about anything but his players and coaches even above himself. Les miles is a great leader and a great coach. Not sure what more he has to do here to gain any respect. Every bar that's been put up he's cleared it but yet some people just are in denial. Who would u rather have at LSU? Some bad luck and a state that quit producing QB's has slowed his roll but he'll fix it.
But let me make sure I've got this right. You're saying les is dumb and also can't lead. But yet somehow took LSU to 2 natl title games? Ok have it your way!
But let me make sure I've got this right. You're saying les is dumb and also can't lead. But yet somehow took LSU to 2 natl title games? Ok have it your way!
This post was edited on 12/1/15 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 12/1/15 at 4:13 pm to FourthQuarter
What kind of crazy arse double talk is this?
Posted on 12/1/15 at 4:20 pm to FourthQuarter
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Les's coaching abilities
good recruiter-very important in college
great motivator
players love him-I feel that is true of most player coach relationships though
x's & o's-not a strength...see most gameplans vs teams like bama
Posted on 12/1/15 at 4:22 pm to FourthQuarter
Posted on 12/1/15 at 4:22 pm to FourthQuarter
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And LSU will be damn good every year he is our coach.
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can't get to Atlanta with Les as coach
This friggin generation and their "damn good" = about average attitude.
'Merica.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 4:23 pm to FourthQuarter
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I am not
yes u r, good is not great, great goes to Atlanta on a regular basis.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 4:53 pm to LSUANDY25
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2014 same cam Cameron runs off all QBs leaving miles Jennings and a puppy named Harris and still manages an 8-5 yr. one of the absolute finest coaching jobs ever. Even had Bama beat with these 2 QB s and a 1 dimensional offense.
This is pure fantasy.
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