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Lest we never forget...Jacksonville State.

Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:39 pm
Posted by Spankem
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2016
1078 posts
Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:39 pm
Here is the reason why there was a quarterback change this past season. Go straight to LSU's first drive at the 12 minute mark. The commentators do a good job breaking down the then starting qb for LSU and setting the scene for what was to come. Look at the 13 minute mark as there is a wide open short pass extremely overthrown, 14:27 high pass that could have been caught for a first down if thrown chest high and outside at the chain. You can hear the announcers breaking down the poor quarterback play. Go to the 23 minute mark for LSU's next drive. At 23:45 he badly overthrows yet another receiver for what should have been a pick. After two 3 and outs even Miles has seen enough (This is Jacksonville state for heavens sake). The backup qb comes in at 35:25, the crowd roars with excitement and the rest is history. Watch the check down reads (37:25 mark) accurate throws with touch (deep ball at 39:16), the chains move (51:00) and the points scored on the next 3 drives. Incidentally at the 59:00 mark we see Ensminger for the first time as they talk about his home being flooded not realizing that he would lead the offense for most of the rest of the season.
Video of the full game here.
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I present that to state this. Folks want to blame coaches, system, etc...for the poor quarterback play that is mainly due to inaccuracy at least in this case. One guy comes in and has poor mechanics (you can hear the announcers break this down very well) and can't throw accurately thus no first downs. The second guy comes in and runs the exact same offense with the exact same personnel demonstrates good mechanics and the offense starts clicking in all phases. Yes coaching and scheme definitely have a lot to do with scoring offense, but to blame the type of play that got this guy benched on the coaches doesn't seem fair.
Posted by craigbiggio
Member since Dec 2009
31805 posts
Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:41 pm to
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Folks want to blame coaches, system, etc...for the poor quarterback play that is mainly due to inaccuracy at least in this case.


Well when you see the same problems with multiple QBs over a span of 8 years who should be blamed?
Posted by LilWezyAna
BR
Member since Feb 2016
3141 posts
Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:44 pm to
did you just say Etling has a good deep ball???
Posted by Spankem
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2016
1078 posts
Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:47 pm to
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Well when you see the same problems with multiple QBs over a span of 8 years who should be blamed?


I blame Miles...everyone else does for the overall quarterback play. Case in point, pulling Lee to put JJ in for the second half of the NC season and not giving him a chance in the NC game. But to say that the backup senior quarterback this year is bad due to coaching (poor mechanics etc...)is a farce.
Posted by Salmon
On the trails
Member since Feb 2008
83586 posts
Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:47 pm to
Yes. Harris had zero confidence to start that Jacksonville St. game. He had been killed the entire week after Wisconsin, and it showed.

Etling came in and provided an immediate spark.

But let's not forget that Harris did the exact same thing the year before against Ms St. and New Mexico St.

Harris's game against Wisconsin did not look so much worse than a few of Etling's games.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
67590 posts
Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:47 pm to
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Folks want to blame coaches, system, etc


how does having an inaccurate QB let the coaches off the hook? Who is recruiting them and developing them? Why is a QB that is performing badly our best option?
Posted by Spankem
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2016
1078 posts
Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:49 pm to
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did you just say Etling has a good deep ball???


Did you not see the play? It was pretty darn good. Caught in stride. I didn't say that he does it all the time, but there is video proof for you to watch if you don't believe that he can't do it at all. Watch the video, it's pretty entertaining.
Posted by LSUButt
Lowcountry
Member since Jan 2006
14930 posts
Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:52 pm to
Do you know what Etling's stats were for that game?

This is why I say the bias people have is unparalled
Posted by LSUButt
Lowcountry
Member since Jan 2006
14930 posts
Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:54 pm to
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I didn't say that he does it all the time, but there is video proof for you to watch if you don't believe that he can't do it at all.


There are videos of Harris throwing good deep balls and that's not always the case...same with Jennings
Posted by JohnnyU
Florida
Member since Nov 2006
12350 posts
Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:54 pm to
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Harris's game against Wisconsin did not look so much worse than a few of Etling's games.


That may be true in terms of stats (don't know and too lazy to check), however Etling clearly showed more poise (other than Bama game and that awful decision vs UL) and pocket awareness.
I really can't think of any game other than Bama where Etling really stunk it up. For the most part he did not get us beat and gave his receivers a chance. That's something Harris did too infrequently.
No point in beating a dead horse. Harris is probably done at LSU. We will never know for sure why he has been a disappointment but it just hasn't worked out.
Posted by someLSUdoosh
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2016
882 posts
Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:57 pm to
The only thing I got out of that is Lindsey Scott is really short.
Posted by Spankem
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2016
1078 posts
Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:57 pm to
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how does having an inaccurate QB let the coaches off the hook? Who is recruiting them and developing them? Why is a QB that is performing badly our best option?


The coaches are on the hook for not trying something different if a qb sucks. For example the NC year, JJ performed poorly while a good backup sat the bench during the NC game. BH was better the year that AJ started and did poorly. DE came in and played better than BH. What angered me about Miles is that I felt that he didn't give the best guy a chance to play QB in many situations. I also think he should have switched coordinators. But in BH case, I don't think it's a coaching issue...it's an accuracy issue.
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68695 posts
Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:57 pm to
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Case in point, pulling Lee


Was Lee even eligible? I don't know if we ever got a clear cut answer on this.

But we just watched the current head coach not try a damn thing against bama this year. 10-0.

Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
18141 posts
Posted on 1/13/17 at 3:00 pm to
who recruits the QBs? Who develops them? Who decides which QB to start?

Yes, Harris is inaccurate and that's on him.

But a lot of the blame also DOES need to go to the coaches -- they recruited him, developed him, and (knowing he's inaccurate) decided to put him in the game.

I mean it's not as if Harris was suddenly thrust into the starter's role - he had started the entire previous year and was starter throughout the spring and fall. If the coaches can't figure out that Etling is a better fit for our offense after all of that, when it's clearly obvious, then that's on the coaches.
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
18141 posts
Posted on 1/13/17 at 3:04 pm to
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Harris is probably done at LSU. We will never know for sure why he has been a disappointment but it just hasn't worked out.

uh, we know exactly why Harris hasn't worked out. He is inaccurate, has poor pocket presence, and has trouble reading defenses and checking down.

Could he have been coached better - absolutely, Cam didn't help him much. But Etling seemed to do just fine under Cam (and also under Ensminger).

Yes, Harris has a cannon, but it takes a lot more than that to be an effective QB at this level.
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
18670 posts
Posted on 1/13/17 at 3:04 pm to
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But in BH case, I don't think it's a coaching issue...it's an accuracy issue.


If you believe Harvey Williams, then you can probably blame a lot of that on George Whitfield.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56555 posts
Posted on 1/13/17 at 3:05 pm to
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olks want to blame coaches, system, etc...for the poor quarterback play that is mainly due to inaccuracy at least in this case.


The system and coaching had something to do with the continuous QB play issues as well. The only people who are wrong are the ones who think it's one or the other.

Ensminger ran the same system much better and some of the improvement we saw was a result of that...not just Etling. But, Etling did do a good job of performing his role and, for the most part, getting the ball into the hands of the playmakers enough to improve the offense.

Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
18670 posts
Posted on 1/13/17 at 3:07 pm to
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But we just watched the current head coach not try a damn thing against bama this year. 10-0.


To be fair, it was 0-0 going into the fourth. It's not like Bama's offense looked all world either. Etling also one hoped several passes to open receivers. The biggest question mark was not giving Guice more touches. Especially with Fournette's lingering injury.
Posted by Spankem
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2016
1078 posts
Posted on 1/13/17 at 3:14 pm to
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But a lot of the blame also DOES need to go to the coaches -- they recruited him, developed him, and (knowing he's inaccurate) decided to put him in the game.


I agree with you 100%
Posted by emanresu
Member since Dec 2009
9374 posts
Posted on 1/13/17 at 3:26 pm to
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Lindsey Scott is really short.

Will never start for LSU as a QB. Etling in 2017, Narcisse/Brennan after that.
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