re: Les Miles, how great is he... The Best LSU has ever had

I don't think I asked anyone if they "liked" Les... could you show me where that occurred?

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The very idea that the LSU team who lost four games over Miles' first two seasons weren't "coached right" is absurd, and the person who espouses this idea is calling ME a troll.

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If I would have come to this forum in Jan. 05 and asked how many would be happy/content or whatever bringing in a coach who would better everything Nick did for LSU, everyone but a few college football mentally challenged types would have raised their hand.

Each to our own, but as far as results are concerned LSU has NEVER had a better football coach and those results have come at a time when the SEC has owned coach football. With all due respect to Nick and his time at LSU, he didn't have to deal with multiple SEC teams owning NCs during his time at LSU.

Saban at Bama is better than Miles at LSU. Saban while at LSU was another story.

Being outcoached is a criticism of Miles, but people tend to forget some of Saban's miscues. Take the Virginia Tech game in 2002; Beamer played Saban with that. Our opener and on the road, vs a good team that went and scheduled a tuneup before playing us. Nick might not get schemed like that again, but he did while he was our coach.
Or the Florida game in 2002; the game was in hand. No need to keep running your starting QB into the line, but that's what he did, and we lost Mauck for the rest of the year. Promising season down the toilet.
Saban never really separated LSU from Auburn during his time here; we each won at home. Auburn 2004's team had the single best record of either team during Saban's tenure, they just didn't get the chance to play for the national title.

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Les, Saban, Dietzel

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I always thought Chollie Mac was LSU due to my age/generation but I think if we get another good 5-8 years from coach I think it will be Les then everybody else.

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I always thought Chollie Mac was LSU due to my age/generation but I think if we get another good 5-8 years from coach I think it will be Les then everybody else.

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Bank on it.

Les Miles is the best LSU head coach in our history & his success and validity can be backed by his numbers alone. The funniest thing I find is that many "Sabanistas" love to reinvent history & act as Saban was the most dominant coach we've ever seen at LSU but love to omit his numerous losses to inferior opponents. They also give Dinardo too little credit and Saban too much credit for our recent success. Their arguments then precede in continuing to thank Saban for our current success under Miles (which is hilarious in itself).If you want good laughter, everyone please re-read this thread. Here are some interesting numbers for comparision sake.

Paul Dietzel
3-5-2
3-7
5-5
11-0
9-2
5-4-1
10-1
(46-24-3)

Charles McClendon
9-1-1
7-4
8-2-1
8-3
5-4-1
7-3-1
8-3-1
9-1
9-3
9-3
9-2-1
9-3
5-5-1
5-6
7-3-1
8-4
8-4
7-5
(137-59-7)

(In comparison)
Gerry DiNardo
7-4-1
10-2
9-3
4-7
2-8

Nick Saban
8-4
10-3
8-5
13-1
9-3
(48-16)

Les Miles
11–2
11–2
12–2
8–5
9–4
11–2
13–1
10–3
10–3
(95-24)
LSU: 95–24

Les Miles is definitely the most consistent coach & it's truly not debatable. Miles tenure & dedication to not only LSU but to our community, brand name, & state as a whole has benefited under his watch. The quote stands true -- it's not where you start but it's how you finish.

Les Miles started here as a successful coach & will end his career here as a successful coach. Mark my words, the last day Les Miles walks out of Tiger Stadium as our head coach will be a very sad day

If were going to give Saban credit for Les early success then the same principal should be applied to Gerry for Sabans success. Look at those early LSU rosters they were filled with Dinardo recruits and players...Dinardo would have been at LSU longer had he removed Tepper, then LSU would have never gotten Les and Saban

These threads remind me of a trial. Each side mostly brings up just the pros for their guy, while highlighting the cons for the other guy.

What Nick outside the lines to improve LSU was from a facility perspective. Because of him LSU improved all of its facilities to state of the art which put them on par with many of the elite programs at the time.

You bring up outside the lines, then everything you mention is between the lines. Fans came back because LSU was winning, he turned a "bad" team to a winning team not because of bad players but merely bad coaching, he improved that and LSU started winning.


The Tennessee game is one of the best along with 96 vs Florida with Dinardo, 07 vs Florida with Miles, 03 Georgia with Saban, etc....