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re: Les Lets the OC Run the Offense
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:32 am to SammyTiger
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:32 am to SammyTiger
If by "run" you mean call the plays I would agree. But I think Les imposes constraints on what plays the OC can call. And nothing wrong with that. He's the HC. My guess is any responsible HC exercises some degree of control on how the O is shaped.
Would have to do some sleuthing, but I think Crowton denied that the O at the end of his time here was "his" offense. I have no reason to think Crowton wasn't being forthright in this.
Also, I think you may be comparing O's on the wrong level. I don't think it's matter of formations or run/pass ratios.
IMO, the approach to O shifted to pass first sometime after the UF game in '06. We played aggressively on O in '07 and '08. The int fest of '08 caused Les to impose restrictor plates on Crowton and ever since we've taken an ultra-conservative approach on O as evidenced by rarely throwing into the middle of the field or to TE's. And I don't think we deviated much from that even in '13.
If it exists, I would absolutely love to see a passing chart for Les's time here.
Would have to do some sleuthing, but I think Crowton denied that the O at the end of his time here was "his" offense. I have no reason to think Crowton wasn't being forthright in this.
Also, I think you may be comparing O's on the wrong level. I don't think it's matter of formations or run/pass ratios.
IMO, the approach to O shifted to pass first sometime after the UF game in '06. We played aggressively on O in '07 and '08. The int fest of '08 caused Les to impose restrictor plates on Crowton and ever since we've taken an ultra-conservative approach on O as evidenced by rarely throwing into the middle of the field or to TE's. And I don't think we deviated much from that even in '13.
If it exists, I would absolutely love to see a passing chart for Les's time here.
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Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:33 am to AlwysATgr
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Would have to do some sleuthing, but I think Crowton denied that the O at the end of his time here was "his" offense. I have no reason to think Crowton wasn't being forthright in this.
I think the fact that "his" offense has bombed everywhere sense makes me thing he was bitter as frick that he failed.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:39 am to SammyTiger
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I think the fact that "his" offense has bombed everywhere sense makes me thing he was bitter as frick that he failed.
Who knows but Crowton never came across as someone bitter. If you compare an '07 game with anything '09/'10, my guess it that it will look different. The playcalling in much of '07 was almost magical. '09/'10 was predictable and usually tipped-off by personnel groups.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 3:01 am to AlwysATgr
quote:There's no way this dysfunctional "1950's" offense was given birth from deep within the depths of Cam Cameron's Soul. No way.
If by "run" you mean call the plays I would agree. But I think Les imposes constraints on what plays the OC can call. And nothing wrong with that. He's the HC. My guess is any responsible HC exercises some degree of control on how the O is shaped.
He didn't run this Pop Warner Offense with Antwaan Randle-EL or Mett at the college level or with Brees, Flacco and Rivers in the NFL.
CCC is calling the plays based on a strict script of what the Head Coach wants based on the Game Plan put together during the week. This is strictly Cameron pulling the trigger for Milesbechler based on the mental and physical capacities of the starting QB.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 5:04 am to SammyTiger
It is the OC's offense, but some things Miles' likes are in there.
Since Miles is the HC, I wish he would use the right personnel. He can easily overide Cam to play Harris, so why doesn't he? He can easily overide running into 8 and 9 man fronts, so why doesn't he? He sits one player for turning it over, but not another?
Miles is HC, for the most part, he stays out of the way of the finer details like play calling and such. Thing is, anything that is ran, and continuously ran with little to no positives, falls squarely on him. You can't keep saying "I don't know". You go tell him to call more plays from shotgun, you tell him to call for more misdirection in the run game, you tell him that Harris, with all his raw ability, gives us the best chance right now to succeed.
Maybe not the start of the season, maybe not against UF after watching against Auburn, but the QB competition should have opened back up with both guys getting significant snaps against UK. Should have been some packages for him against UF, Ole Miss and Bama. He should be starting at TAMU with good experience, but here we are, 11 games down, and looking even more clueless than we did at the start of the season.
Since Miles is the HC, I wish he would use the right personnel. He can easily overide Cam to play Harris, so why doesn't he? He can easily overide running into 8 and 9 man fronts, so why doesn't he? He sits one player for turning it over, but not another?
Miles is HC, for the most part, he stays out of the way of the finer details like play calling and such. Thing is, anything that is ran, and continuously ran with little to no positives, falls squarely on him. You can't keep saying "I don't know". You go tell him to call more plays from shotgun, you tell him to call for more misdirection in the run game, you tell him that Harris, with all his raw ability, gives us the best chance right now to succeed.
Maybe not the start of the season, maybe not against UF after watching against Auburn, but the QB competition should have opened back up with both guys getting significant snaps against UK. Should have been some packages for him against UF, Ole Miss and Bama. He should be starting at TAMU with good experience, but here we are, 11 games down, and looking even more clueless than we did at the start of the season.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 5:05 am to SammyTiger
Two Points.
1. My opinion is Miles lets his OC run the offense except in critical situations. By critical situations I mean every 3rd down it seems, and Miles overrides the call.
2. This is Cam's offense but some how 2 plays have remained the same for a long time. The toss dive as was noted earlier, and the speed option.
My cry is to just pull Jennings and give Harris the ball. Harris can not be as bad as what we have put on the field the last 3 games. Jennings doesn't have it and appears to be regressing
1. My opinion is Miles lets his OC run the offense except in critical situations. By critical situations I mean every 3rd down it seems, and Miles overrides the call.
2. This is Cam's offense but some how 2 plays have remained the same for a long time. The toss dive as was noted earlier, and the speed option.
My cry is to just pull Jennings and give Harris the ball. Harris can not be as bad as what we have put on the field the last 3 games. Jennings doesn't have it and appears to be regressing
Posted on 11/19/14 at 5:09 am to TigerFaninBammerLand
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My opinion is Miles lets his OC run the offense except in critical situations. By critical situations I mean every 3rd down it seems, and Miles overrides the call.
We led the NCAA in this down % last season with the second best % in 10+ years.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 6:20 am to SammyTiger
Miles always has a scapegoat for when the offense sucks. He never owns up to being the top dog.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 6:26 am to SammyTiger
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He lets the OC call them. And he lets the OC run his own offense. whenever our offense isn't great, people scream about going to the other other.
CC is running what CLM wants him to run. I doubt miles is calling many plays because they choose what plays they will run for the game when implementing the game plan. I guess you don't think he is involved in the offensive game plan each week?
Let's just say he has absolutely no input in the offense...he must be happy with it if he hasn't demanded CC to open it up. He is the man in charge and is ultimately responsible for the product on the field.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 7:57 am to semjase
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CCC is calling the plays based on a strict script of what the Head Coach wants based on the Game Plan put together during the week. This is strictly Cameron pulling the trigger for Milesbechler based on the mental and physical capacities of the starting QB.
This.
And Miles has been terrified of opening up the offense even a little since 2008 unless he has absolute faith in the QB, and as has been discussed ad nauseam, he can't recruit/develop a QB to save his life.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 8:00 am to Topwater Trout
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CC is running what CLM wants him to run. I doubt miles is calling many plays because they choose what plays they will run for the game when implementing the game plan. I guess you don't think he is involved in the offensive game plan each week?
I think they gameplay around shitty QB play.
Our playacting has even changed from week 1 this year.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 8:01 am to MF Doom
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The toss dive is coming from somewhere
+1
Posted on 11/19/14 at 8:01 am to semjase
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CCC is calling the plays based on a strict script of what the Head Coach wants based on the Game Plan put together during the week. This is strictly Cameron pulling the trigger for Milesbechler based on the mental and physical capacities of the starting QB.
This x1000.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 8:24 am to SammyTiger
quote:Randle, Lafell, Toliver. Talented RB's. Shepard in wildcat but not allowed to throw. JJ calling his own number time and time again in zone read.
So i actually went back and watched a Crowton game.
And it was nothing like what we have run the last for years.
And of course we had Les's game management at the end of the game.
Thanks for bringing back the pain.
BTW: 2009 was the year that Les began to "take over" the offense. It has been solidly in his choke hold since 2010.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 8:34 am to SammyTiger
And as soon as mr pick six started his debacle it all got shut down.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 8:37 am to mmcgrath
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BTW: 2009 was the year that Les began to "take over" the offense. It has been solidly in his choke hold since 2010.
It was probably necessary at the time. We had no identity back then.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 8:40 am to Mattwells90
Our offense suck because Jennings has no anticipation of when a receiver will be open. In his defense, he is young. If you recall, last season Mett talked about how QBs in Cam's system have to throw the receiver open. Unfortunately, Jennings can't do that. Mett could make all the throws...slants, digs, outs, back shoulder fades, comebacks, post-corners, posts. Cam and Les are trying their best to hide the QB by using the running game. Cam definitely needs to get Harris up to speed during the Spring.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 8:44 am to sjmabry
Per local radio last night, I forgot the guest but he spoke to former OC for LSU and they all said once the had left that they had complete control of what offense they ran. This offense now looks a lot like the ravens did with cam.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 8:52 am to c on z
quote:We had great receivers (probably the best in college football), a great o-line, and very good to great running backs. So we play zone read and let the QB run the ball. You think that was necessary?
It was probably necessary at the time. We had no identity back then.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 8:57 am to SammyTiger
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A link for you chumps.
I hate you
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