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re: Just answer me this question...
Posted on 11/11/08 at 12:22 am to lurker124
Posted on 11/11/08 at 12:22 am to lurker124
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Please go watch the Georgia and Alabama reruns. Lee lost those games all by himself. I know he's young, but that excuse should've been null and void at least after 3 games as a starter. He's still making the same exact mistakes. How can you deny that?
Lee did not lose the Alabama game all by himself. How can you argue that when we are one missed field goal by Colt David away from winning the game in regulation?
After that last post it seems the problem is less JL's progression as a quarterback and more about your national championship type expectations.
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I know he's young, but that excuse should've been null and void at least after 3 games as a starter.
Oh really? Thats the formula, coach? 3 games as a starter and your expected to not be a freshman making freshman mistakes anymore? That statement was ridiculous.
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Posted on 11/11/08 at 12:23 am to lurker124
You still don't get the point that the QBs I mentioned did not show much, if any, progress for YEARS! Just look at Wilson, he has been considered a JOKE for 3 years. Now he is considered one of the better QBs in the SEC. You may not see great improvement out of Lee this year. That has NOTHING to do with what he will do in the next three years. Rohan Davey blew up worse than Lee in his first start in Tigers Stadium his sophomore year. He did not re-emerge until the Peach Bowl the last game of his junior year. Then, he was all world his senior year.
Posted on 11/11/08 at 12:23 am to lsuj2006
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In every game since (Auburn and since), there has been at least one difficult pass in which he was ON THE MONEY. The TD to Byrd this weekend was phenomenal. The problem I think you have, and so do I, is that we aren't seeing those positives increase and we aren't seeing his negatives decrease. And it might not be something we see this season.
Yea you're right, but how many of those easy throws has he missed? You can't say he's young for missing easy lobs when he makes 1/10.
Posted on 11/11/08 at 12:24 am to 4evrlsu
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stupidest statement ever. NO ONE on a TEAM loses (or wins) a game by themselves.
oh really? when 1 player spots 1 team 7-14 pts a game that becomes reality my friend
Posted on 11/11/08 at 12:25 am to lsuj2006
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Oh really? Thats the formula, coach? 3 games as a starter and your expected to not be a freshman making freshman mistakes anymore? That statement was ridiculous.
How about 7 games in coach?
Posted on 11/11/08 at 12:27 am to lurker124
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How do ya'll miss that?
We don't miss anything. No one is disputing that Lee has had major issues. But he has made some really good plays too. Which shows that he can do it if he works through these issues. All the things he is doing wrong are fixable problems. You can't fix a weak arm. You can't teach character or leadership. He has some positive attributes which could result in a great quarterback if he can improve on the fixable problems.
Posted on 11/11/08 at 12:27 am to lsuj2006
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Lee did not lose the Alabama game all by himself. How can you argue that when we are one missed field goal by Colt David away from winning the game in regulation?
And how can you argue that when Lee threw a ball 5 yards over a reciever's head for a pick 6 for the 6th time? You can't use the cold david argument w/out using the Lee argument.
Posted on 11/11/08 at 12:30 am to lurker124
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How about 7 games in coach?
I guess we'll see this week against Troy since it will be his 7th start.
Is that the formula?
You are wanting to take a roast that needs to be slow cooked and microwave it. If freshman sensation QB's happened all the time, then where are they? Yeah, it happens, but more often than not, you don't come out of high school with SEC quarterback "mistakeless" potential.
Posted on 11/11/08 at 12:32 am to lurker124
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And how can you argue that when Lee threw a ball 5 yards over a reciever's head for a pick 6 for the 6th time? You can't use the cold david argument w/out using the Lee argument.
EXACTLY! BINGO!
We have other players, that in their own right, cost us the game! If you are going to argue that it was ONLY Jarrett Lee that cost us the game against Bama, then I'm going to argue that it was Colt David. Or Chris Mitchell. And who's to say that either one of us is wrong?
Posted on 11/11/08 at 12:32 am to lurker124
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and he's not saying "Colt David lost the game "all by himself like you are about Lee.
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Lee did not lose the Alabama game all by himself. How can you argue that when we are one missed field goal by Colt David away from winning the game in regulation?
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And how can you argue that when Lee threw a ball 5 yards over a reciever's head for a pick 6 for the 6th time? You can't use the cold david argument w/out using the Lee argument.
and he's not saying "Colt David lost the game "all by himself like you are about Lee.
Posted on 11/11/08 at 12:32 am to lsuj2006
Lee looked half decent early on in the yr, but looks like complete garbage now.
Posted on 11/11/08 at 12:35 am to lsuj2006
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Yeah, it happens, but more often than not, you don't come out of high school with SEC quarterback "mistakeless" potential.
Mind you he's not fresh out of high school. And to name one sam bradford. Listen man, honestly go read my first post. I know ya'll want to head hunt, I'm not bashing the kid. I only asked if he's showed improvement which I believe he hasn't and which ya'll haven't proven otherwise. I like Lee, but I'm not blinded with purple and gold glasses that he's the ultimate qb for this team either. I say give Jefferson a chance. That's all.
Posted on 11/11/08 at 12:37 am to lurker124
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I say give Jefferson a chance. That's all.
Incorrect. If that is all you were saying then I would agree with you.
It is the "Lee singlehandedly lost the Bama game" concept that is irrational.
JJ's turn is now and is well deserved. Agreed.
Posted on 11/11/08 at 12:37 am to lsu xman
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but looks like complete garbage now.
wow. nice. This kid does not deserve to carry the weight of the world on his NINETEEN year old shoulders. He was thrown into a situation where he can't even be spelled for one down, playing the number one team in the nation. To call this kid garbage is just wrong, man.
Posted on 11/11/08 at 12:41 am to lsuj2006
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We have other players, that in their own right, cost us the game! If you are going to argue that it was ONLY Jarrett Lee that cost us the game against Bama, then I'm going to argue that it was Colt David. Or Chris Mitchell. And who's to say that either one of us is wrong?
Ok man, I'm not trying to be the enemy here. I just watched the game twice and I saw that Lee put us in way more trouble than those other guys. I don't think anyone's accountable, but most of the blame has to go on his shoulders. I'm not saying you didn't watch the replay, if you did then fine...but I did and to me it seemed like he made a lot of mistakes. AND THAT'S FINE, but it's the same mistakes he was making 5 weeks ago! That's my whole point. He hasn't progressed. Ya'll are trying to act like I'm bashing lsu and our coaches when all I'm saying is that I don't see why we couldn't have at least used jefferson in some way. You tell me how Jefferson could've played worse.
Posted on 11/11/08 at 12:43 am to lsuj2006
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It is the "Lee singlehandedly lost the Bama game" concept that is irrational.
Honestly, non sarcastically, do you think anyone could've played worse? Really? He threw FOUR interceptions, one for a pick 6, and we barely lost! How can you say otherwise? Did our defense lose it? Did our Wr's lose it? No, they didn't.
This post was edited on 11/11/08 at 12:45 am
Posted on 11/11/08 at 12:44 am to 4evrlsu
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wow. nice. This kid does not deserve to carry the weight of the world on his NINETEEN year old shoulders. He was thrown into a situation where he can't even be spelled for one down, playing the number one team in the nation. To call this kid garbage is just wrong, man.
well how would you describe his QB play the last 2 games when he went 21/54 39% 280yds 2td/5int(2 pick6)?
ok garbage is a bit too harsh, Lee has looked lackluster.
Posted on 11/11/08 at 12:46 am to lurker124
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Honestly, non sarcastically, do you think anyone could've played worse? Really? He threw FOUR interceptions, one for a pick 6, and we barely lost! How can you say otherwise?
There were some plays where I wish we would have seen JJ. TD to Byrd in the first- I doubt JJ makes that throw.
All in all, I think JL was our best shot at winning. Thats not saying much at this point, but its what we've got.
Posted on 11/11/08 at 12:47 am to lsu xman
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well how would you describe his QB play the last 2 games when he went 21/54 39% 280yds 2td/5int(2 pick6)?
before they can reply that he's a young Qb I will. We aren't bashing him. It's just that if ya'll say he's young then why not play a true frosh then? He's just as young. I'm still waiting for the answer to why Lee still throws off his back foot constantly by the way. No one can explain that.
Posted on 11/11/08 at 12:48 am to lurker124
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I'm still waiting for the answer to why Lee still throws off his back foot constantly by the way. No one can explain that.
Might as well call in Wednesday night on that one.
Seems like our coaching staff should be able to handle mechanics type things like that.
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