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Posted on 2/22/16 at 3:10 pm to Circle K Beggar
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A frightening precedent was established in this athletic department last November.
That a multiple SEC championship, National championship, 80% of his games winning coach shouldn't be fired for a *10 win season? Frightening indeed.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 3:19 pm to More beer please
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By default because of his size.
He's 6'5..that's big enough to play multiple positions
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Its fairly simple to watch Q play and know he isnt a true PG. He does not make those around him any better. He is extremely selfish at times and has difficulties properly running/controlling an offense.
There are games that TQ has made LSU dominant.
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Because of this team's huge lack of half court offense it is necessary to have that floor general. I could throw out cliche terms all day but in the end that just isnt Tim.
Again, go look back at last year. The 2nd half of SEC play and down the stretch, we ripped off some nice wins because of TQ distributing nicely. He was best friends with Mickey and Martin and they had great chemistry. I think everyone would agree the chemistry on this team is atrocious.
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Also, that true PG isnt rattled and his job is to know everyone where everyone else is on the court at all times. A true PG doesnt need to dominate the ball to affect the game and doesnt try to do too much when he does have it.
This can 100% be attributed to comfort level and coaching. From day one there has been this awkwardness of when TQ and Ben are on the floor together. Ben wants to play point and so does TQ. So there is not cohesion. TQ loves to slash, get people involved, create...but he's limited with Ben because they do the same thing. So TQ ends up standing around the 3-point line and just shooting crap.
You can look at TQ and realize he is miserable this year. Some of it are his effort and mindset, some are his besties leaving, and some may be CJJ not clearly defining roles for people. There is a reason coming into the season that Tim was projected 1st round. He's not just 6'5, but he's an excellent rebounder, savvy as Hell, a great passer, and the heart of the team.
Tim's problem is not that he's not a true PG it is his effort. This could be for a million things. But again, look at down the stretch of the year last year. The guy almost had a triple double in the tourney game.
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You want to see a true PG, check out Skylar Mays who is committed to us.
I love Skylar, I've seen him play personally. He is calm, cool, and collected. He also does not possess the athleticism or potential that Tim has. I think Sky will be a great stabilizer and college PG, but potential wise Tim far surpasses him. The term "true PG" is rather elusive. Steph Curry is not a TRUE PG...neither is Westbrook...neither is Damian Lillard...neither is Kyrie Irving...etc etc etc
Posted on 2/22/16 at 3:27 pm to Fratigerguy
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That a multiple SEC championship, National championship, 80% of his games winning coach shouldn't be fired for a *10 win season? Frightening indeed.
Les hasn't won an SEC championship (or played for one) since 2011.
Les hasn't won a national championship since 2007.
Last 4 years, Les is 20-12 in the SEC.
Last 4 years, Les is 14-10 in the SEC West (9-9 in the SEC West the last 3 years).
You're fine with that???
80% overall winning percentage doesn't mean much to me. I don't care if we pad our record against WKU, Eastern Michigan, New Mexico State, Towson, etc. I care about competing for SEC championships and being in the mix for the national championship, especially with our recruiting.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 3:31 pm to atltiger6487
Every other coach at lsu and in the country have padded their resume so don't give me that shite. The point for those of you too dense to fricking grasp it is that you're comparing Johnny Jones to Les Miles. One has never done shite at LSU, and the other has had the greatest tenure ever in the history of the school.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 3:38 pm to LSUButt
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There are games that TQ has made LSU dominant.
Mainly for his scoring for anything else, which is not necessary for a true pg.
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The 2nd half of SEC play and down the stretch, we ripped off some nice wins because of TQ distributing nicely. He was best friends with Mickey and Martin and they had great chemistry. I think everyone would agree the chemistry on this team is atrocious.
It is atrocious, but its also his job as the pg to overcome that. Its also clear the Q and Simmons are clashing on the court and Tim is lost without the ball in his hands.
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TQ loves to slash, get people involved, create
This has been the exact opposite recently
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Steph Curry is not a TRUE PG...neither is Westbrook...neither is Damian Lillard...neither is Kyrie Irving...etc etc etc
THIS team doesn't need one of those. It needs a game manager at QB style pg. It has ben simmons. If this team had a proper pg who knew when to slow things down, speed them up, run the offense, and put people in the right places it would be extremely dangerous. That pg is the extension of the coach and sadly Q's attitude and effort lately have been a direct reflection of Johnny.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 3:47 pm to LSUButt
Quarterman is not a point guard. I've never in my life seen a point guard at any level that makes horrible passes, takes awful shots, and makes such poor decisions on a consistent basis like he does...and continues to start.
But I guess hell JJ hasn't reprimanded him yet in 3 years, besides not letting him start that one game, (but he still ended up playing starter minutes anyway).
It's a scary thought to think about what he would have to do to get benched for a game or 2.
But I guess hell JJ hasn't reprimanded him yet in 3 years, besides not letting him start that one game, (but he still ended up playing starter minutes anyway).
It's a scary thought to think about what he would have to do to get benched for a game or 2.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 3:56 pm to LSUButt
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then every player partners up and goes to a goal to shoot FT's until they make a certain number and they can go home
That number must be 1.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 4:35 pm to ell_13
The problem with his statement is it was a nationally televised game where many people saw the teams substandard performance and the game commentators kept talking about the teams lack of effort for how important this game was...and for JJ to say such a statement is just asinine...he should have said something like this...No, of course I'm not satisfied, but thankful we are in the position we are in with the effort we have put forward so far this season that has gotten us into 2nd place; which allows us room for improvement...That way no one is thrown under the bus and he acknowledges the effort problem....but to say that statement kind of lets us know where the basketball program is at...complacency
This post was edited on 2/22/16 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 2/22/16 at 4:40 pm to toothfxr92
Posted on 2/22/16 at 4:43 pm to ell_13
JJ is smoking some fricked up shite.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 4:51 pm to LSUButt
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If TQ gives you nothing, what do you do? Serious question. How would the Rant handle Tim Quarterman.
You ....bench....his.....arse.....period! Seriously????
Posted on 2/22/16 at 5:13 pm to Tigahbader
Ok, so now we've benched him. Then what? We have completely lost Tim mentally and physically. We also don't have Hornsby anymore. So we have 4 guards total.
We roll with Gray full time at PG? I llove Gray but he's not a 30 min plus guy and he's not very good. We play Ben there and have Epps in? Elbert? Or I guess we play Patterson? Everybody wants to just say Patterson is the answer, but he's a role player who doesn't play PG.
And I'm not saying Tim is right for his lack of effort or poutiness. But he is a young guy.
You can go and stalk my posts, I started on the F U Tim train in December. Coaching isn't just sticking people out there, it's dealing with emotions and managing egos. Johnny has done a poor job of that recently, but it's a very delicate situation. If anyone has ever coached anything, you would know it's about reading the players you have. Johnny is not dumb (I know most think otherwise). He does not WANT to lose...he's not HOPING we lose. He just hasn't learned how to deal with the egos of some of the players
We roll with Gray full time at PG? I llove Gray but he's not a 30 min plus guy and he's not very good. We play Ben there and have Epps in? Elbert? Or I guess we play Patterson? Everybody wants to just say Patterson is the answer, but he's a role player who doesn't play PG.
And I'm not saying Tim is right for his lack of effort or poutiness. But he is a young guy.
You can go and stalk my posts, I started on the F U Tim train in December. Coaching isn't just sticking people out there, it's dealing with emotions and managing egos. Johnny has done a poor job of that recently, but it's a very delicate situation. If anyone has ever coached anything, you would know it's about reading the players you have. Johnny is not dumb (I know most think otherwise). He does not WANT to lose...he's not HOPING we lose. He just hasn't learned how to deal with the egos of some of the players
This post was edited on 2/22/16 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 2/22/16 at 5:15 pm to ell_13
I think The Tiger Rant would be a much happier place right now if we could all take a deep breath and inhale some of what Johnny Jones is smoking.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 5:16 pm to LSUButt
Butt I dont have the answer because our choices are so limited. But TQ is a disruptive force on the floor. The output we get from him just doesn't justify his substantial PT. I could handle the turnovers and ball-hogging behavior if he was pumping in 15 PPG but hes not consistently.
Its a bad situation for JJ but he's doing NOTHING to try and fix the problem.
Its a bad situation for JJ but he's doing NOTHING to try and fix the problem.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 5:19 pm to Tigahbader
I agree he has not done a good job with that.
This started because we were debating about the definition of a true PG. If you really think about it, very few PG's who have NBA aspirations would enjoy having someone come in and do the exact same thing as them, just way better.
This started because we were debating about the definition of a true PG. If you really think about it, very few PG's who have NBA aspirations would enjoy having someone come in and do the exact same thing as them, just way better.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 5:24 pm to LSUButt
This is true and it seems Q is playing worse this year with BS on board. I dont know if he wants to show B thats hes his equal (hes not) or what but its frustrating as hell. 
Posted on 2/22/16 at 5:28 pm to Tigahbader
I definitely think it's a macho thing. But it's weird because there are times he just simply doesn't try. He doesn't try to do too much...it's nothing at all
Posted on 2/22/16 at 5:29 pm to LSUButt
Right now, Gray is actually better. TQ is a major liability.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 5:51 pm to LSUButt
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I think everyone would agree the chemistry on this team is atrocious.
This is on Johnny. Everything is on Johnny. He recruits and signs the players, he chooses the lineups. Stop making excuses for how bad he has handled this season as the HC.
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