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re: Jefferson and Lee should alternate series!!!!!!!!
Posted on 10/13/09 at 4:19 pm to smoke101302
Posted on 10/13/09 at 4:19 pm to smoke101302
quote:
2 QB systems hardly ever work. let jj take his lumps, endure the growing pains then enjoy the results
Well then I guess you are a strong advocate of sitting Russell Shepard this year then, right?
Posted on 10/13/09 at 4:43 pm to specs1
This is great...Does anyone not realize that Jordan Jefferson has 3 picks with multiple picks dropped already. I can remember at least two vs. ULL, one versus Washington, and one versus Vandy. At least one against ULL should have also been returned for a touchdown. Now I know that half of you rantards will come back with the "but they weren't intercepted so it doesn't matter" crap. Probably the same people that said "I know we're 105th in offense but we're 5-0". If you're a process thinker and not a result thinker then you have to realize that Jordan Jefferson has put the ball in just as dangerous of places as J. Lee did last year. Problem is J. Lee's picks were actually caught and not dropped. I'd like to think that is just coincidence and not some magical power that Jefferson has to make Defensive backs drop the ball. Oh yeah, and after 6 games last year J. Lee had 6 picks with 141 attemps...Jefferson's got 3 (should be 6) with 145 attempts.
Oh yeah, I can definately see a huge difference. And, this is all after Jarrett Lee takes many more chances down the field.
Oh yeah, I can definately see a huge difference. And, this is all after Jarrett Lee takes many more chances down the field.
This post was edited on 10/13/09 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 10/13/09 at 4:46 pm to brownjuco
quote:
This is great...Does anyone not realize that Jordan Jefferson has 3 picks with multiple picks dropped already. I can remember at least two vs. ULL, one versus Washington, and one versus Vandy. At least one against ULL should have also been returned for a touchdown. Now I know that half of you rantards will come back with the "but they weren't intercepted so it doesn't matter" crap. Probably the same people that said "I know we're 105th in offense but we're 5-0". If you're a process thinker and not a result thinker then you have to realize that Jordan Jefferson has put the ball in just as dangerous of places as J. Lee did last year. Problem is J. Lee's picks were actually caught and not dropped. I'd like to think that is just coincidence and not some magical power that Jefferson has to make Defensive backs drop the ball. Oh yeah, and after 6 games last year J. Lee had 6 picks with 141 attemps...Jefferson's got 3 (should be 6) with 145 attempts.
Oh yeah, I can definately see a huge difference. And, this is all after Jarrett Lee takes many more chances down the field.
Correct.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 8:56 am to geaux4geauxldtigah
its hard for me to compare leak/tebow and flynn/perrilloux to lee and jefferson. do you see any type of difference in the "2" QB's in the 3 examples?
bringing in shep in the wildcat does not disrupt whatever chemistry that may be left. i think bringing in lee could get real messy.
bringing in shep in the wildcat does not disrupt whatever chemistry that may be left. i think bringing in lee could get real messy.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 9:02 am to smoke101302
quote:
2 QB systems hardly ever work. let jj take his lumps, endure the growing pains then enjoy the results
With that mentality we just should have left JL in last year and we would be awesome this year
Posted on 10/14/09 at 9:20 am to 6R12
maybe not awesome but how about better than what we have rite now.
i understand and agree with what u are saying but i hate to see either qb lookin over their shoulder. it seems like jj is already tryin to hard not to make a mistake. i cant imagine what it whould be like if he was gettin snatched every other series. i just dont see any benifit in rotating jefferson and lee. maybe just replace the starting qb and please, for the love of god play shep more
i know this is cliche and chessy but there is something to the ol sayin if you have 2 qb's you dont have 1.
i understand and agree with what u are saying but i hate to see either qb lookin over their shoulder. it seems like jj is already tryin to hard not to make a mistake. i cant imagine what it whould be like if he was gettin snatched every other series. i just dont see any benifit in rotating jefferson and lee. maybe just replace the starting qb and please, for the love of god play shep more
i know this is cliche and chessy but there is something to the ol sayin if you have 2 qb's you dont have 1.
This post was edited on 10/14/09 at 9:22 am
Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:23 am to smoke101302
I remember a year to where Spurrier alternated QB's every play....not saying that we do this but I think it would be a great idea to see if Lee has improved and give each one time to come and watch what is going on from the sideline during the game.....sometimes it helps to sit and watch what the defense is doing.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:27 am to geaux4geauxldtigah
You have GOT to use more exclamation points if you expect anyone to take you seriously. This kind of half-hearted punctuation just will not stand.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:30 am to smoke101302
quote:
let jj take his lumps, endure the growing pains then enjoy the results
Serious question, given evrything you've seen in the last two years, who do you think gives you a better chance if we're beind in a game and have to start throwing to win?
Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:33 am to specs1
quote:
Bottom line is JL's offense last year was tons better than JJ's this year.
but he didn't lead the team better in the summer
his last scrimmage he was 3/13 for 29 yards 0 TDs and 2 INTs
Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:33 am to 6R12
quote:
With that mentality we just should have left JL in last year and we would be awesome this year
we did leave JL in until he got hurt
Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:57 am to geaux4geauxldtigah
Defenses know we cant throw, and then they put 8 men in the box and stop our run, its hard for the o-line to block 8 men...I grow tired of people blaming the o-line...The problem is quarterback, then people say he is 19, hell USC has an 18 year old. I think JJ is about like Tyler, which isnt good..Miles has confidence in JJ.and false confidence usually ends in disaster...Ward off disaster and change your quarterback... I saw shep play in High School and he can throw, maybe not with the velocity of JJ but he is effeiciant...Then the holes will open up in the running game...Thats why balance is the key...You cant be one dimensional and succeed, defenses are forcing us to be in our weakest part of our game....passing...Our quarterback is not learning or it takes him too long to learn.( a big problem at a competitive university) We already have one quarterback that has learned the hard way...put him in... usually when you learn the hard way you dont forget...Miles cant afford two years of learning quarterbacks...I think Lee is ready again...I liked him last year and I still do this year...Plus, Shep needs to play for at least the a whole series, a couple of times a game...and then he'll prove why he is so electrifying...he fumbled so what, he's a smart kid that doesnt take that long to learn a lesson...put him in let the fans see what ive seen the last two years here in houston...and for those of you who say high and college are different...believe me I know...but he's also averaging 7 yards a carry now isnt he...Let him run the offense for two series in a row...If I was rich id pay a million dollars to coach miles to let him do it...He's that good when you let him play and let him know that he's not coming out...He's ten times better in the clutch then Adam Vinetari...
Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:00 am to geaux4geauxldtigah
Nonsense, Jefferson gives LSU the best chance to win at QB. You want to know what would really help. Yet another sports writer has joined the several saying the same thing, the coaches, the players, many posters here, etc.
Randy Rosetta wrote:
"The offensive line was unable to make much room for the running game or to protect Jefferson, who was sacked five times in the second half."
Randy Rosetta wrote:
"The offensive line was unable to make much room for the running game or to protect Jefferson, who was sacked five times in the second half."
Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:04 am to TigerFan55555
quote:
Defenses know we cant throw, and then they put 8 men in the box and stop our run, its hard for the o-line to block 8 men...I grow tired of people blaming the o-line...The problem is quarterback
Psst, Georgia and Florida did NOT put more than about 5 or 6 in the box. The OL is exactly the problem. If it wasn't, then with so few in the box with Georgia and FLorida, LSU could have run the ball much better than they did.
Randy Rosetta:
"The offensive line was unable to make much room for the running game or to protect Jefferson, who was sacked five times in the second half."
Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:08 am to geaux4geauxldtigah
quote:One already has established himself as the front-runner.
Jefferson and Lee should alternate until one establishes himself as the front-runner.
Posted on 10/22/09 at 2:01 pm to geaux4geauxldtigah
Back in the 70's and 80's LSU frequently used a two-QB system. The idea was to give them both game experience.
The advantages were that if one of them was having a bad day, the other could pick up the slack. Also if one got injured, the other didn't need to warm up, he was ready to go.
Even all-american and future all=pro Bert Jones benefitted from this system. I remember several times when he wasn't playing well, and Paul Lyons took over and and rallied the team.
The current coaches don't seem to like that system. They will stick with the designated QB for a long time before they give the other a chance. If he's having a bad day, he has to do a lot of damage before he is replaced. Then when he is replaced it becomes a humiliating experience.
The advantages were that if one of them was having a bad day, the other could pick up the slack. Also if one got injured, the other didn't need to warm up, he was ready to go.
Even all-american and future all=pro Bert Jones benefitted from this system. I remember several times when he wasn't playing well, and Paul Lyons took over and and rallied the team.
The current coaches don't seem to like that system. They will stick with the designated QB for a long time before they give the other a chance. If he's having a bad day, he has to do a lot of damage before he is replaced. Then when he is replaced it becomes a humiliating experience.
Posted on 10/22/09 at 2:03 pm to ChewyDante
they should not alternate,
but they should both play as the situation demands...and their performance dictates
they each do some things well and others NOT as well.....
but they should both play as the situation demands...and their performance dictates
they each do some things well and others NOT as well.....
Posted on 10/22/09 at 2:04 pm to geaux4geauxldtigah
Dear God,
Please make it stop.
Signed,
Non rantards
Please make it stop.
Signed,
Non rantards
Posted on 10/22/09 at 2:16 pm to geaux4geauxldtigah
quote:
1. Jefferson is starting to throw interceptions more.
2. Lee only started throwing interceptions with regularity around the mid-point of last season, which is exactly where we are now. Not trying to say Jefferson will follow suit, but don't think he is immune from throwing interceptions either.
Good fortune or lack thereof is usually relevant when comparing sports statistics. Last year it seemed like any possible interception was held onto by LSU's opponents. Recall 5 or 6 that were tipped passes also. This year just the opposite has been true. Well more than half of the possible interceptions have been dropped by Tiger opponents. And of course we'll take that any time we get it. The point is , with last year's poor fortune, JJ would already have 6 or 7 int's with several throws per game fewer than JL had to make. (I recall at least 4 times this year where I sighed in relief at a failed int.) Let's hope the good fortune this year continues but also that yards per completion goes up drastically the second half.
Posted on 10/22/09 at 2:56 pm to RANDY44
IMHO...
If you have ONE "GREAT" QB, you ride it.
but if you do not, and we do not yet...
then a 2 QB system can work.
as I said before ...they should not alternate,
but they should both play as the situation demands...and their performance dictates
they each do some things well and others NOT as well....
One major factor is that it ads preparation time and guess work to an opponent. They have to then prepare for 2 different QBs.
LSU has used a 2 QB system many times over the years and effectively.....that does not mean equal distribution of time....but coaches should not wait to bring someone in when the "PLAY" will become obvious.
If you have ONE "GREAT" QB, you ride it.
but if you do not, and we do not yet...
then a 2 QB system can work.
as I said before ...they should not alternate,
but they should both play as the situation demands...and their performance dictates
they each do some things well and others NOT as well....
One major factor is that it ads preparation time and guess work to an opponent. They have to then prepare for 2 different QBs.
LSU has used a 2 QB system many times over the years and effectively.....that does not mean equal distribution of time....but coaches should not wait to bring someone in when the "PLAY" will become obvious.
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