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Posted on 7/27/10 at 10:01 pm to ForeLSU
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one thing that hurt like hell last year was the "check with me" taking so long to call
Check with me has got to go. It is the qb's responsibility to audible. If he can't do it, he shouldn't be in the game.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 10:01 pm to smooth99
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Lee, I don't know. Gary always said he liked the booth more because he could see the field. However, we scored many more points with him on the sidelines. I think he has a better feel for the game from the field, even though he feels like he's at a disadvantage in line of sight.
Smooth, I get this and understand it. Calling plays from that vantage point would be helpful, however, I've always felt that not being on the field would put him at a disadvantage of communicating with the entire offense
Posted on 7/27/10 at 10:02 pm to smooth99
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That's the key.
Agreed
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I think that helped Tim alot
Agreed
Posted on 7/27/10 at 10:03 pm to TIGRLEE
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you played with josh bradley or ray peace
Yep. My first scout team experience I was running down on kickoff and Josh obliterated me. Never saw him. I will never forget the grin on his face as I looked up from my back. Priceless.Posted on 7/27/10 at 10:04 pm to mtnhighTiger
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Calling plays from that vantage point would be helpful, however,
I would guess Gonzo will be in the booth as Crowton's main communication man if GC is on the sideline
Posted on 7/27/10 at 10:04 pm to smooth99
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Check with me has got to go. It is the qb's responsibility to audible. If he can't do it, he shouldn't be in the game.
Well we've all seen Jordan audible out of a play and do well (Washington, toliver)
But yeah, I do agree with you.
This post was edited on 7/27/10 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 7/27/10 at 10:06 pm to smooth99
thanks for bringing a little fact to the board/thread.... this whole thread is full of opinions.
some solid, some not so much.
some solid, some not so much.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 10:07 pm to TheDoc
At some point, I do feel as though the coaches have failed the young qb's. These coaches spend a unbelievable amount of time getting the guys ready. They should have enough confidence in them to recognize presnap reads. That's a part of player development, and I believe by taking that responsibility away they are shortchanging the leader of the offense. Therefore, hurting their leadership capabilities on the field.
Oh, and FYI, for Crowton's offense to work, the WR coach has to be on his game. I don't think the previous one was.
Oh, and FYI, for Crowton's offense to work, the WR coach has to be on his game. I don't think the previous one was.
This post was edited on 7/27/10 at 10:11 pm
Posted on 7/27/10 at 10:11 pm to smooth99
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At some point, I do feel as though the coaches have failed the young qb's. These coaches spend a unbelievable amount of time getting the guys ready. They should have enough confidence in them to recognize presnap reads. That's a part of player development, and I believe by taking that responsibility away they are shortchanging the leader of the offense. Therefore, hurting their leadership capabilities on the field.
Quality posts.
Appreciate the insight
Posted on 7/27/10 at 10:12 pm to smooth99
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Oh, and FYI, for Crowton's offense to work, the WR coach has to be on his game. I don't think the previous one was.
Yeah, he was also corrupt it would appear,..
Glad he didn't get lsu in trouble.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 10:14 pm to smooth99
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That's a part of player development, and I believe by taking that responsibility away they are shortchanging the leader of the offense.
you can certainly offer some insight on this, but it seems to me that Crowton has always thought teaching his system was more important than developing the intangibles and leadership within the players. It appears to me as a QB coach he's more interested in teaching the science of being a QB vs. the art.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 10:16 pm to TheDoc
Thanks Doc. I hope we see progress this year. I really think we will regardless of the qb. Both qb's have flaws, and we need much better WR play. I fully expect the OLine to look much better. Gonzo will bring some blocking schemes from Florida that are going to help a ton. Much more technique and design of plays to help get body position.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 10:18 pm to smooth99
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I'm not one the "Lee is a lost cause" guys by any stretch, but he will have to earn the starting job based on actual game performance, not in practice. It will be interesting to see if they mix it up a little this year and give Lee a few series.
This is exactly right.
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Nah. JJ will most likely be the guy. But don't be surprised if it's JL. I can tell you right now that based on what I saw, JJ is not the kind of qb that gets Crowton excited.
I'd be absolutely shocked out of my mind if Lee started against UNC. JJ might not get Crowton excited, but I'd find it really difficult to believe that the alternative would get him more excited based on what we've seen in the games.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 10:19 pm to just me
Look here CHILD:
READ THE WHOLE post time time and you may realize why so many people were hammering your stupod arse. First you said that blame all of the picks in 2008 on Lee. I remember several were after third and long where receiveers dropped passes "see the bama game where the ball was returned to the 3 I think". and others were his fault. What I said was, no not all interceptions are the QB's fault in making a generalization.. remember I am a JJ supporter after last season...
With that said, you then said that ALL of the failures on the offense was not JJ's fault. Well, all interceptions are usually not the QB's fault. When you think about pressure, play calling, etc. and EXPECIALLY experience, isn't reasonable that some mistakes are on the QB and some could possibly be on the calls. Think about those quick patterns that the DB's jumped and he threw it straight to them. Those were all timing plays that he didn't check or he turned and threw. He didn't make those reads. The plays that cost us games like against Ga and Bama, there were some of those that were on Gary Crowton and Miles.
Whay I said what you said can be founf later in this message.
Now STFU!
You said this:
“It's funny how when people point out Lee's individual failures, morons attempt to rebut the irrefutable by referencing team failures.
Why don't morons realize that there are ten other people on an offense?
Nobody forced Lee to throw an interception. Interceptions are one person's fault. The QB."
Being part of an ineffective offense will never be solely a QB's fault. More to the point, there were much bigger problems with last year's offense than the QB.:
I said this:
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It's funny how when people point out Lee's individual failures, morons attempt to rebut the irrefutable by referencing team failures.
No matter what, who leads the team will always get the blame.
Why don't morons realize that there are ten other people on an offense?
Nobody forced Lee to throw an interception.
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Interceptions are one person's fault. The QB.
This is not even close to being the truth. For example I vivdly remember JoJo running a wrong pattern on one that went the other way. WR's make mistakes, coaches make mistakes, linemen make mistakes and allows plays to not develop such as those that depend on timing. How many drops BEFORE INT's were there. I remember several of those forcing 3rd and long situations.
The announcers were even saying this to be true.
YOU SAID:
"Being part of an ineffective offense will never be solely a QB's fault. More to the point, there were much bigger problems with last year's offense than the QB."
If you want to use such words as irrefutable, please look it up first because you refutted your own opinion. With all of that said, I believe JJ is the better QB of the 2. I do not believe either of them are winners. They BOTH now play to not make mistakes because of 2008. Who will you blame for that? Gary Crowton and Les Miles that's who.
READ THE WHOLE post time time and you may realize why so many people were hammering your stupod arse. First you said that blame all of the picks in 2008 on Lee. I remember several were after third and long where receiveers dropped passes "see the bama game where the ball was returned to the 3 I think". and others were his fault. What I said was, no not all interceptions are the QB's fault in making a generalization.. remember I am a JJ supporter after last season...
With that said, you then said that ALL of the failures on the offense was not JJ's fault. Well, all interceptions are usually not the QB's fault. When you think about pressure, play calling, etc. and EXPECIALLY experience, isn't reasonable that some mistakes are on the QB and some could possibly be on the calls. Think about those quick patterns that the DB's jumped and he threw it straight to them. Those were all timing plays that he didn't check or he turned and threw. He didn't make those reads. The plays that cost us games like against Ga and Bama, there were some of those that were on Gary Crowton and Miles.
Whay I said what you said can be founf later in this message.
Now STFU!
You said this:
“It's funny how when people point out Lee's individual failures, morons attempt to rebut the irrefutable by referencing team failures.
Why don't morons realize that there are ten other people on an offense?
Nobody forced Lee to throw an interception. Interceptions are one person's fault. The QB."
Being part of an ineffective offense will never be solely a QB's fault. More to the point, there were much bigger problems with last year's offense than the QB.:
I said this:
quote:
It's funny how when people point out Lee's individual failures, morons attempt to rebut the irrefutable by referencing team failures.
No matter what, who leads the team will always get the blame.
Why don't morons realize that there are ten other people on an offense?
Nobody forced Lee to throw an interception.
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Interceptions are one person's fault. The QB.
This is not even close to being the truth. For example I vivdly remember JoJo running a wrong pattern on one that went the other way. WR's make mistakes, coaches make mistakes, linemen make mistakes and allows plays to not develop such as those that depend on timing. How many drops BEFORE INT's were there. I remember several of those forcing 3rd and long situations.
The announcers were even saying this to be true.
YOU SAID:
"Being part of an ineffective offense will never be solely a QB's fault. More to the point, there were much bigger problems with last year's offense than the QB."
If you want to use such words as irrefutable, please look it up first because you refutted your own opinion. With all of that said, I believe JJ is the better QB of the 2. I do not believe either of them are winners. They BOTH now play to not make mistakes because of 2008. Who will you blame for that? Gary Crowton and Les Miles that's who.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 10:20 pm to ForeLSU
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he's more interested in teaching the science of being a QB vs. the art.
Yeah. Most coaches focus on the science first, and the art is developed through experiences. The point is the experiences are being hindered by taking away the responsibility of "checking" the presnap reads.
This post was edited on 7/27/10 at 10:26 pm
Posted on 7/27/10 at 10:32 pm to smooth99
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The point is the experiences are being hindered by taking away the responsibility of "checking" the presnap reads.
I don't think he trusts the QB until the point the QB understands all 45 chapters of the Crowton Calculus. Thus the young guys end up with brain mush after a year of playing.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 10:37 pm to ForeLSU
Maybe so. I saw a guy in his second year in Crowton's offense set passing records. I think some of our biggest problems are also lack of WR development. It doesn't matter what the qb knows if the receiver misreads the coverage. You have to be on the same page at that exact split second at this level of competition. You can't hesitate at all and you have to have the same read.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 10:49 pm to smooth99
There's a lack of player development in every position.
YOu can count on JL throwing at least one TD pass per game. You just don't know which team is gonna score it.
YOu can count on JL throwing at least one TD pass per game. You just don't know which team is gonna score it.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 11:31 pm to GR CHAMP
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I don't think miles would have brought JJ to the media day if he was not the starter
I think the majority know JJ is the starter. Many of us want two QB's ready to play. Unknown to many people who post here, you don't have to trash one young fella to prop up your favorite.
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