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Issue is not # of passes thrown but No threat of pass w/ 2TE FB Heavy Set
Posted on 9/14/15 at 8:35 am
Posted on 9/14/15 at 8:35 am
With our personnel on the OL/RB and a QB who is still learning, the issue is not with the # of runs vs passes. Personally I thought the offense was great the 1st 3 quarters aside from Harris not keeping it enough on the read option. The problem is that defenses don't even have to defend the pass when your only receiving option on the heavy formation is your RB and 1 WR which we basically ran exclusively the last quarter which is the reason we let MSU back in.
Gordon is just a glorified OT so he doesn't need to be accounted for in the passing game and Moore is no threat out of the black field. LSU could have run the same # of running plays out of 3 WR sets or 2 WR and Desean Smith and been leaps and bounds more effective. Defenses HAVE TO account for Doral, Dupre, Diarse, Quinn, Jackson, Smith with a DB which will open it clear room out of the box for our stud RBs/OL to operate.
Gordon is just a glorified OT so he doesn't need to be accounted for in the passing game and Moore is no threat out of the black field. LSU could have run the same # of running plays out of 3 WR sets or 2 WR and Desean Smith and been leaps and bounds more effective. Defenses HAVE TO account for Doral, Dupre, Diarse, Quinn, Jackson, Smith with a DB which will open it clear room out of the box for our stud RBs/OL to operate.
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Posted on 9/14/15 at 8:37 am to STEVED00
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Personally I thought the offense was great the 1st 3 quarters
stopped reading here...you added 2 extra quarters to that statement
Posted on 9/14/15 at 8:38 am to STEVED00
Agreed, I think Les needs to trust Harris more. More play actions and no more screen passes for god sakes.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 8:41 am to Topwater Trout
honestly, I saw enough positive things in the offense to be very excited about it. It's not like last season where a game like was probably a best case scenario. You see the potential there, just have to take the training wheels off.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 8:44 am to STEVED00
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Gordon is just a glorified OT so he doesn't need to be accounted for in the passing game
funny thing is he can actually catch.
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Moore is no threat out of the black field.
is it a black field if he's in though? I'll be here all season, folks.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 8:50 am to STEVED00
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Gordon is just a glorified OT so he doesn't need to be accounted for in the passing game
disagree. he's got really good hands. catches EVERYTHING in practice...
Posted on 9/14/15 at 8:55 am to STEVED00
Agreed. I don't mind so much that we pounded them but running a power set with 1 wr on first down will not work against better defenses. I just hope as the season goes along that we become comfortable with Harris enough to spread the defense and open up the passing game on first down.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 8:57 am to STEVED00
quote:This I agree with wholeheartedly. With Guice, Fournette, Moore, and/or Williams out of the backfield, some damn good TE's and several WR's that know how to make the best of body position and high point the ball (1-on-1's) LSU could really give people fits out of these type formations. Also would help establishing screens better; for some reason LSU has more difficulty than expected with screens (of all types).
Issue is not # of passes thrown but No threat of pass w/ 2TE FB Heavy Set
Establish every now and then, and when trying to ice the game later it would be much more successful. Can spread defenses out with THREAT rather than formation.
We saw BH throwing across the middle, somewhat high which can be fixed, which is required here. And he has the arm for the sideline routes which the D's would have to honor (deep WR, TE out, RB wheel route).
I point out that, if I'm remembering correctly, MSU used twice against us to that lil fast MF'g running back they have. Probably would have scored if he hadn't had taken his eye off the ball the first time. First down on the second one.
This post was edited on 9/14/15 at 8:59 am
Posted on 9/14/15 at 8:59 am to STEVED00
The ISSUE is clearly that Les does not trust a qb to throw! If you can't call a play for your qb to pass 5-8 yards over the middle then he shouldn't be out there. Which clearly Harris can do, but Les would rather sit on a lead and try to let the defense that is getting mega tired win the game. 
Posted on 9/14/15 at 9:01 am to winnoworelse
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over the middle
Are you crazy???? It could get picked off
Posted on 9/14/15 at 9:02 am to monsterballads
exactly.... 
Posted on 9/14/15 at 9:04 am to STEVED00
I have been saying this for two years now. Go back and look at the Wisconsin and A&M games last year. We were effective running the ball with 2 and 3 WR sets. I'm not saying we need to throw the ball 30 times a game, but stop telegraphing that we are running between the tackles with your offensive set. Also you can be a little more creative in the running game, hell at this running off tackle would be considered creativity in the running game.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 9:07 am to ellessuuuu
He won't ever be "more creative" dude. How many years have we watched Les's offense? He never adapts, he never changes. You'll see the same old crap you've seen the past 10 years. A 70s-80s offense.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 9:09 am to monsterballads
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disagree. he's got really good hands. catches EVERYTHING in practice...
Insert AI "We taking Bout Practice" gif.
Not disagreeing but unless he actually goes out and catches balls in games, I stick by my original statement.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 9:12 am to winnoworelse
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He won't ever be "more creative" dude. How many years have we watched Les's offense? He never adapts, he never changes. You'll see the same old crap you've seen the past 10 years. A 70s-80s offense.
My point was that he was being different the 1st three quarters but when things got tight his clinched up and reverted back to old ways. We ran the read option a bunch and would have been a lot more successful if Harris kept the ball when necessary.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 9:14 am to I20goon
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Also would help establishing screens better; for some reason LSU has more difficulty than expected with screens (of all types).
This. Throwing a good screen or nice RB dump off pass to the RB will keep the defense a bit more honest. If they will trust Harris and knowing the defense will either keep a robber or stack on LF, someone has to be open or separated down field. We will see if coaching improves but I won't hold my breath.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 9:14 am to STEVED00
I was replying to the other guy that said creative or change. But I didn't see much change at all. We've ran the read option before too. And it doesn't work all that well with how Les sets the offense.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 9:15 am to Chitter Chatter
The middle screen that Ariz ran yesterday to ice the Saints game was a very safe call but also extremely effective.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 9:22 am to ellessuuuu
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, but stop telegraphing that we are running between the tackles with your offensive set.
I keep thinking "we are just setting their D up". but I have yet to see the pay off play. or at least I have not noticed it.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 9:22 am to winnoworelse
quote:is getting annoying! Who am I kidding. Has been annoying.
He won't ever be "more creative" dude. How many years have we watched Les's offense? He never adapts, he never changes. You'll see the same old crap you've seen the past 10 years. A 70s-80s offense.
BUT, if you are going to be stuck in a 80's offense (which I don't agree with that 100%), it can be done in other ways. Notre Dame in the 80's used similar formations to pass out of successfully with Ricky Waters, Mark Green, and Tony Brooks with Tony Rice as an option QB and Raghib Ismail (the Rocket) at WR and Derek Brown at TE. LSU has better talent with the same type of "setup".
That ND team's leading receivers were Watters and Green.
I think LSU could take that type of offense and do much better with it as a part of a passing attack. Just to start with we have a QB with a superior arm (much much more superior compared to Rice).
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