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Posted on 12/4/16 at 4:57 pm to tjtiger9
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Agreed and ESPN and the talking heads know this. They couldn't control the computers, so they were glad when the system was adopted.
It's getting hard to take any of the polls serious anymore. And this committee has been a damn joke with the way they choose to rank teams week to week in my opinion.
I wish they would go to the same playoff system that the FCS teams use. With only taking 4 teams, how can a conference champion not get in, and get jumped by a team that finished the regular season behind that conference champion and also lost the head to head game?
I personally didn't like it in 2011 when Alabama was chosen to be in the championship game when they didn't even win their division and I don't like it now with Ohio State getting in without making it to the Big 10 championship game. It's like the regular season doesn't matter anymore. They might as well just pick the 4 favorite teams (current media darlings) and say to hell with playing the rest of the games. The NCAA used to say that each game matters, but it sure doesn't seem like it does in my opinion.
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It is quite simple, do away with conference championships games. They do not mean anything. Move to 8 teams, take the 5 conference winners and 3 at large teams.
That's right, conference championships mean absolutely nothing to this committee. 8 teams would be a lot better than the BS that is being used today.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 5:04 pm to earl keese
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That's right, conference championships mean absolutely nothing to this committee. 8 teams would be a lot better than the BS that is being used today.
Conference championships are certainly important, but it's just one of many factors.
For example, if Florida would've beaten Alabama in the SECCG, would the committee take Florida over Bama. Of course not. Bama would still get an invite because it's a complete "body of work" that the committee looks at, not simply whether you won your conference or division.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 5:38 pm to stho381
No. bcs system better. Also need to go to 6 teams. 1 and 2 get bye
Posted on 12/4/16 at 5:39 pm to atltiger6487
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Conference championships are certainly important, but it's just one of many factors.
Well, after bama in 2011 and Ohio State this year, I'm going to go ahead and disagree with you.
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if Florida would've beaten Alabama in the SECCG, would the committee take Florida over Bama. Of course, not, Bama would still get an invite because it's a complete "body of work" that the committee looks at, not simply whether you won your conference or division.
Then why play conference championship games if they don't matter. Why have conferences if you don't have to win your conference or division. I understand the complete "body of work", but I feel that there should be consequences to NOT winning your conference or division.
Ohio State finished behind Penn State. Ohio State lost to Penn State. In my opinion, Ohio State should not be one of the 4 teams playing for the National Championship. The same way Alabama shouldn't have played for the National Championship in 2011. The regular season should count for something, and head to head match-ups should count for something. These are my opinions, this is how I feel and I would feel the same way if LSU were in Ohio States position. The way it's set up these days, the regular season means absolutely nothing.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 5:43 pm to stho381
Computers were infinitely better at determining the best teams. Committee'so purpose is to disregard resumes in order to maximize revenue.
It won't be long before an 8-4 Notre Dame team gets in over far more deserving 10-2/11-1 teams because the committee's job is to ensure max revenue, not determine a champion.
It won't be long before an 8-4 Notre Dame team gets in over far more deserving 10-2/11-1 teams because the committee's job is to ensure max revenue, not determine a champion.
This post was edited on 12/4/16 at 5:45 pm
Posted on 12/4/16 at 5:48 pm to stho381
Unranked teams beat ranked teams in NOVEMBER and Didn't drop to speak of.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 6:16 pm to stho381
Computers use real data and don't lie or show bias. Human bias has always ruined the rankings and the entire system. The BCS was working fine and then USC happened and we had to make more of a human factor. Now we are back to the bullshite days where a few random assholes make the ultimate decision.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 6:32 pm to stho381
Hell frick no. Got to have a computer factor. BCS was wayyy better.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 6:54 pm to Supermoto Tiger
The PSU argument would be completely different if they didn't have two losses. It was really simple for the committee because they had only 4 power conference teams with one or fewer losses. People are making a dumb argument this year.
Obviously if there were 4 power conference champions with one or fewer losses then OSU would have obviously sitting at home. They atleast should be in that case. That is exactly why Alabama getting the do over in 2011 was so dumb. In 2011 there was a team with an equal record to Bama who easily had a better resume and won their conference.
Obviously if there were 4 power conference champions with one or fewer losses then OSU would have obviously sitting at home. They atleast should be in that case. That is exactly why Alabama getting the do over in 2011 was so dumb. In 2011 there was a team with an equal record to Bama who easily had a better resume and won their conference.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 7:24 pm to Colonel Flagg
You don't win your Conference - you ain't gettin in. Too bad.
I'm not arguing OHIO St. isn't a great team but they LOST a game they shouldn't have.
I hate the fact they take away the significance of conference games. Maybe you beat good tewams but if you can't win one you're supposed to - you got issues. You had your chance and blew it. 9 lives are for pussies.
I'm not arguing OHIO St. isn't a great team but they LOST a game they shouldn't have.
I hate the fact they take away the significance of conference games. Maybe you beat good tewams but if you can't win one you're supposed to - you got issues. You had your chance and blew it. 9 lives are for pussies.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 10:20 pm to stho381
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The next wave a change was spurred by a team getting in that didn't win it's division or conference (Bama in 2011 season). Those two situations were the biggest argument to move away from computers.
Dude, Bama wasn't the first. Nebraska in 2001 was in the BCSCG without winning its division...and Oklahoma in 2003 was in it while they didn't win their conference. The sole reason they moved from the computers/BCS to the CFP was because 2 teams from the SEC were selected for the BCSCG in 2011. They didn't appear to have an issue with the division/conference losing issue till 2 teams from the same conference, especially being the SEC, played for the championship...
This post was edited on 12/4/16 at 10:31 pm
Posted on 12/5/16 at 1:52 am to stho381
We need an 8 team payoff to take all humans and their inherent biases out of the process. If we had that this year, Ohio State would not be going to the finals, Penn State would be instead. Everything should be decided on the field.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 2:12 am to PurpleNGold
quote:Computers have the same top four.
Give me the BCS computers any day over this shite show
This post was edited on 12/5/16 at 2:14 am
Posted on 12/5/16 at 2:20 am to Bayou
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You don't win your Conference - you ain't gettin in. Too bad.
I'm not arguing OHIO St. isn't a great team but they LOST a game they shouldn't have.
I hate the fact they take away the significance of conference games. Maybe you beat good tewams but if you can't win one you're supposed to - you got issues. You had your chance and blew it.
All of this. Why even play the game if the wins, big wins, don't matter? This is why I'm not a fan of the "human" part of the committee. They can't, or don't want to, see the overall picture. At least the computers said, "Team A beat team B. Team A has the advantage."
Do I think Ohio State is a better team than Penn State? Absolutely. But the fact of the matter is that they lost to Penn State. On top of that, they didn't play in their conference championship, nor did they even win their side of the conference. It's shades of Bama in 2011.
Those wins need to count. It would count had it been reversed. And I can already hear, "Well if Penn State gets in, they'd get smoked if they had to play Ohio State again." Probably. But like I said, they beat them, they won the conference and they're still left out. That's not right IMO.
This isn't about Penn State, it's about how the "committee" said that these big wins would count for something.
This post was edited on 12/5/16 at 2:24 am
Posted on 12/5/16 at 2:45 am to la_birdman
Every game counted. Ohio State had a better record and a tougher schedule. There are other things that matter, but nothing matters more than that. The teams in the playoff were the correct ones.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 3:21 am to stho381
Nothing was wrong with the BCS. All this committee is designed to do is drive controversy. That way they can grow the playoff field from 4 to 8, and from 8 to 16. That's all it is. A big money grab by ESPN and college football.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 4:08 am to baobabtiger
The bcs took in to account polls consisting of voters who were never accountable for their votes. At least now the committee has to explain themselves, and the only time that a team not in the top four of the Massey Composite has ever gotten into the playoff, it was undefeated Florida State in 2014.
The controversy is feigned, and the playoff committee has never botched the top four.
The controversy is feigned, and the playoff committee has never botched the top four.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 5:42 am to TopWaterTiger
PSU deserved the death penalty .....it will take awhile before any committee forgets the Joe Pa cover up.
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