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re: Is Matt Flynn in trouble in Seattle?
Posted on 8/22/12 at 10:24 am to Baloo
Posted on 8/22/12 at 10:24 am to Baloo
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Honestly, if this goes beyond the usual smokescreen of motivation, then he's a complete idiot. Carroll is involved in personnel decisions in Seattle, and his front office just laid down $25 million for a new QB and he's going to bench that QB before they play an actual game? That is an unconscionably stupid way to run a franchise. It's one thing to bench the new free agent QB after a period of ineffectiveness, like Kolb in Arizona, but to do it right out the gate is just sabotaging your new QB. Seattle would have been better off to just set the money on fire. It's terrible decision making. If I were the owner, I'd fire both my GM and coach for being so stupid and unable to work together. It's a systemic problem that goes beyond your QB.
Guys, I'm not real sure why Seatle football is so important to some of you, but you should all relax. Carrol just paid $25 Million or Matt Flynn. He just drafted Russel Wilson and has been absolutely surprised with the excellent production he's gotten from this draft pick. His only option is to do what he's been doing, talk up Wilson like he's the second coming and increase his TRADE VALUE. Quit freaking out about the posibility of Matt Flynn getting paid 25 million bucks to sit the bench because he isn't going to.
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Posted on 8/22/12 at 10:40 am to sabanisarustedspoke
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Quit freaking out about the posibility of Matt Flynn getting paid 25 million bucks to sit the bench because he isn't going to.
Anyone with a brain knows this, however espn radio did make it seek like Wilson beat out Flynn for the starting spot
Posted on 8/22/12 at 11:03 am to roygu
Seahawks need to trade T.O for Brandon Lafell.
Posted on 8/22/12 at 11:04 am to VC
or Early
Posted on 8/22/12 at 11:08 am to Choupique19
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He needs all of the preseason reps with the 1's that he can get so that they will be as sharp as possible for game 1.
This is true. However, while the historical pattern has been coast through the 4th preseason game, look primarily at guys on the bubble and not provide opposition any meaningful game tape for the regular season, I would expect Flynn to play the first 3 quarters of game 4 and Carroll to game plan enough to win the game thus providing momentum for the start of the season. Talking heads in media have to say *something* to make pre-season interesting. Some dude on ESPN predicted the Panthers to win the NFC south this morning...
Posted on 8/22/12 at 11:09 am to TheDoc
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Quit freaking out about the posibility of Matt Flynn getting paid 25 million bucks to sit the bench because he isn't going to.
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Anyone with a brain knows this, however espn radio did make it seek like Wilson beat out Flynn for the starting spot
Well lets do a recap then....how many rookie qb's have locked up the starting qb job for there team already?? I believe it's like 4!!!! Flynn has yet to be named starter because a 3rd round rookie is not only outplaying him in the game but at practice to. The competiton in seattle was suppose to be between flynn and jackson. I hate to say it but what happen to jackson already is about to happen to flynn. I love flynn but i just don't think he is a better qb than wilson.
Posted on 8/22/12 at 11:12 am to sabanisarustedspoke
"Quit freaking out about the posibility of Matt Flynn getting paid 25 million bucks to sit the bench because he isn't going to."
If WIlson is the better QB, he will most certainly start. Carroll will have no problem sitting a QB making $8/million a year if he isn't the better of the two. I am a big Flynn fan, but he was overpaid based on one game. He deserves his chance to start in the league, but he is going to have to outplay Wilson from now on to be the starter.
If WIlson is the better QB, he will most certainly start. Carroll will have no problem sitting a QB making $8/million a year if he isn't the better of the two. I am a big Flynn fan, but he was overpaid based on one game. He deserves his chance to start in the league, but he is going to have to outplay Wilson from now on to be the starter.
Posted on 8/22/12 at 11:14 am to sabanisarustedspoke
I actually own a Jim Zorn jersey. They were the team I rooted for when the Colts left. So... I do care about the Seahawks, actually.
Posted on 8/22/12 at 11:21 am to Baloo
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It's one thing to bench the new free agent QB after a period of ineffectiveness, like Kolb in Arizona, but to do it right out the gate is just sabotaging your new QB. Seattle would have been better off to just set the money on fire. It's terrible decision making. If I were the owner, I'd fire both my GM and coach for being so stupid and unable to work together. It's a systemic problem that goes beyond your QB.
Bingo!!!
Also, Russell Wilson has yet to face a defense set up to stop him and the Seahawk offense. NFL teams don't do any prep work on an opponent in the preseason. They all just run their base packages and they don't gameplan a bit for these exhibitions. Matt Flynn has been in the league for 5 complete seasons now. He has 2 NFL starts under his belt and he performed at an All-Star caliber for both of those games. Now, teams in those games did not know what to expect out of Flynn, so 2 games does not make a great player. But at the very least, Flynn has earned the right to start by his play on the field, and the front office's decision to pay him $27 million over 3 years. I know it's not all guaranteed, but I promise you that the guaranteed part of the contract is way more valuable than a back-up qb's share.
Posted on 8/22/12 at 11:37 am to fjohns1
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Well lets do a recap then....how many rookie qb's have locked up the starting qb job for there team already?? I believe it's like 4!!!! Flynn has yet to be named starter because a 3rd round rookie is not only outplaying him in the game but at practice to. The competiton in seattle was suppose to be between flynn and jackson. I hate to say it but what happen to jackson already is about to happen to flynn. I love flynn but i just don't think he is a better qb than wilson.
I guess my point is that I'm surprised at how blindly ignorant some on this board are acting about this. My opinion is that Carrol is trying to increase Wilson's trade value and not planning on starting him, but if Wilson is the better QB I don't see why he shouldn't start. With that said, in this thread I've heard that Pete Carrol is in jeopardy of losing his job if he starts a rookie over a career back-up who they just paid 25 million for. Some on this board think that Pete will get fired for essentially "striking oil" in the draft and finding a rookie good enough to beat out Matt Flynn?
Posted on 8/22/12 at 11:39 am to fjohns1
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a 3rd round rookie is not only outplaying him in the game
Well that's not true at all. Quit listening to espn.
Wilson has only played against backups and Flynn has played against starters.
Posted on 8/22/12 at 11:42 am to fjohns1
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I hate to say it but what happen to jackson already is about to happen to flynn. I love flynn but i just don't think he is a better qb than wilson.
Then I can't take you seriously. Sorry.
Posted on 8/22/12 at 11:49 am to sabanisarustedspoke
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Some on this board think that Pete will get fired for essentially "striking oil" in the draft and finding a rookie good enough to beat out Matt Flynn?
I'm saying that if Pete Carroll starts a rookie qb after his front office just paid money for another player to be the starter, then the Hawks better go .500 at least. If Russell struggles at all, which most rookies do, then Carrol should be worried about his job. Matt Flynn was paid to steady the ship for a while until the rookie quarterback has had time to learn how to play the position in the NFL. Flynn has not done anything to lose the starting job this preseason. Russell has looked good in against players who will either be cut, or back-ups in the league.
Posted on 8/22/12 at 11:52 am to Choupique19
Carroll and the FO wants to see how this kid does with the Firststringers since he's being doing so well in the second half of games played this season, if he does well then the real controversy starts!
Posted on 8/22/12 at 11:54 am to Choupique19
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Matt Flynn was paid to steady the ship for a while until the rookie quarterback has had time to learn how to play the position in the NFL.
No, he was paid to be the starter...not to hold things down until Wilson is ready.
Posted on 8/22/12 at 12:01 pm to PortCityTiger24
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No, he was paid to be the starter...not to hold things down until Wilson is ready.
Posted on 8/22/12 at 12:03 pm to Choupique19
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I'm saying that if Pete Carroll starts a rookie qb after his front office just paid money for another player to be the starter, then the Hawks better go .500 at least. If Russell struggles at all, which most rookies do, then Carrol should be worried about his job. Matt Flynn was paid to steady the ship for a while until the rookie quarterback has had time to learn how to play the position in the NFL. Flynn has not done anything to lose the starting job this preseason. Russell has looked good in against players who will either be cut, or back-ups in the league.
I'm a Flynn supporter, but I have no reason to believe he is going to "steady the ship" in Seattle. At the time Flynn was a free agent the Hawks were in desperate need of a starting QB. Flynn was availabel and $25 million was his price tag. If Wilson wins them 10 games this year no one will be firing Carrol because he didn't start the guy they thought was going to be the starter and paid to do so. If he sucks, then Flynn will be the starter. I guess what has me really confused about this board is the belief that Flynn is entitled to just be the starter, when his strongest credential is his paycheck. I hope Flynn gets the team and I think he will on opening day, but if he doesn't its not Carrol's fault its Flynn's.
Posted on 8/22/12 at 12:12 pm to Bmath
I'm not going to shed any tears for Matt. If I got to hold a clipboard for a year or two and leave the NFL with a significant portion of $27 million and my health intact, I'd consider that a win.
Posted on 8/22/12 at 12:35 pm to Jim Rockford
The thing about Pete Carroll is he is crazy and he DGAF. Everything Im hearing about who the QB situation in Seattle is that with Flynn on the field, the offense looks decent but doesnt have the "it" factor that it does with Wilson. If Wilson was 2inches taller he would of been a 1st rounder. Hes got the skill, brain, and athleticism to be a great QB. The best thing to do is wait and see what Wilson does with the 1s vs the Chiefs. That will be his test. If he looks bad, I think they go with Flynn and let Wilson sit for a year or 2. If he looks good, Wilson will start. Either way, I think Flynn might be in Seattle for only a season or 2. And its not a knock on Flynn at all, its just Wilson very well could be the steal of the draft.
Posted on 8/22/12 at 12:56 pm to KG5989
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If he looks good, Wilson will start.
If Pete starts Wilson based on how well wilson does in the third preseason game, then Pete won't be at Seattle for very long.
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