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is it right to blame coaching?
Posted on 11/9/15 at 8:42 am
Posted on 11/9/15 at 8:42 am
The back and fourth on this is a continuation of posi vs. nega tigers.
I guess one would have to answer the following to reach a conclusion.
Comparing the two staffs which staff looked more involved in strategy?
What team seemed to resolve issues of past games vs continue the same issues?
What team looked better prepared?
The simple fact appears to be that Miles is a father figure coach. He addresses problems, He has a feel good system.
Saban is running a business/boss, He fixes problems he has an accountability system.
Now ask yourself for the sake of defending Miles.
If the coaching staffs were switched would it be the same outcome considering the approach to the games?
I think for job paying 4/mil a year fans can hold a coach accountable for doing his job.
I guess one would have to answer the following to reach a conclusion.
Comparing the two staffs which staff looked more involved in strategy?
What team seemed to resolve issues of past games vs continue the same issues?
What team looked better prepared?
The simple fact appears to be that Miles is a father figure coach. He addresses problems, He has a feel good system.
Saban is running a business/boss, He fixes problems he has an accountability system.
Now ask yourself for the sake of defending Miles.
If the coaching staffs were switched would it be the same outcome considering the approach to the games?
I think for job paying 4/mil a year fans can hold a coach accountable for doing his job.
This post was edited on 11/9/15 at 8:45 am
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Posted on 11/9/15 at 8:43 am to tc5140
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is it right to blame coaching?
Absolutely.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 8:44 am to tc5140
9 times out of 10 I'm blaming the guy who makes millions of dollars a year.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 8:51 am to SabiDojo
Sports radio guy made a good point this morning: this game has been lost in February in the past 5 years. And there's no one else responsible for February.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 8:52 am to tc5140
Yes
Posted on 11/9/15 at 8:53 am to tc5140
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I think for job paying 4/mil a year fans can hold a coach accountable for doing his job.
thats fine
Miles has done a damn good job though. He seems to have one massive area of concern (Bama). Should he be fired over that while pretty much excelling at everything else?
I don't think so.
Some less rational people here do though.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 8:53 am to Hootie
No Head Coaches are infallible. At least what I've read here
Posted on 11/9/15 at 8:54 am to Hootie
quote:Coach O needs to get his guys up front, and they need to grow up fast.
this game has been lost in February in the past 5 years. And there's no one else responsible for February.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 8:56 am to tc5140
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is it right to blame coaching?
absolutely. Way to predictable and vanilla on offense and that just doesn't work with the coaching and horsepower up front Bama has this year.
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If the coaching staffs were switched would it be the same outcome considering the approach to the games?
No crystal ball but I'd say no. The Cameron/Miles duo make Kiffen look like a genius
Posted on 11/9/15 at 8:57 am to tc5140
Ansolutely. This is kind of their job. 
Posted on 11/9/15 at 8:59 am to Salmon
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Miles has done a damn good job though. He seems to have one massive area of concern (Bama). Should he be fired over that while pretty much excelling at everything else?
Bama is the threshold of reaching the championship it must be overcome or submit to mediocrity with a boat load of talent.
There are fan bases who definitely see things differently.
examples UGA is an approach like yours with the next year we get mentality.
Alabama in the past pre-Saban had a demand that lose to Auburn two times and your out.
This post was edited on 11/9/15 at 9:01 am
Posted on 11/9/15 at 8:59 am to tc5140
To a degree.
But coaches don't miss tackles
But coaches don't miss blocks
While the game plan was lacking, execution sucked as well.
And don't go all ape shite blaming Miles. It's the coordinators and assistants who have the biggest impact on preparation. Sure, Miles is in charge, but he can't be expected to coach each player individually.
But coaches don't miss tackles
But coaches don't miss blocks
While the game plan was lacking, execution sucked as well.
And don't go all ape shite blaming Miles. It's the coordinators and assistants who have the biggest impact on preparation. Sure, Miles is in charge, but he can't be expected to coach each player individually.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:00 am to Hootie
"Sports radio guy made a good point this morning: this game has been lost in February in the past 5 years. And there's no one else responsible for February."
I am familiar with the line of thinking, expressed by Scott Rabalais and others, that Alabama just has superior athletes, but I am not buying that as a full explanation for the loss or string of losses. Bama has out-recruited everyone in the nation, but they still play plenty of close games, including to us last year, and even lose some games. As between LSU and Alabama, the talent differential just isn't that great, as evidenced by the stream of players from both schools to the NFL. If there is a difference, it's slight. The much bigger difference is the one between Miles and his staff's ability to prepare and make in-game adjustments vs. Saban and his staff's.
I am familiar with the line of thinking, expressed by Scott Rabalais and others, that Alabama just has superior athletes, but I am not buying that as a full explanation for the loss or string of losses. Bama has out-recruited everyone in the nation, but they still play plenty of close games, including to us last year, and even lose some games. As between LSU and Alabama, the talent differential just isn't that great, as evidenced by the stream of players from both schools to the NFL. If there is a difference, it's slight. The much bigger difference is the one between Miles and his staff's ability to prepare and make in-game adjustments vs. Saban and his staff's.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:01 am to Hootie
Great point, and sadly next season our LB's will be a huge soft spot for our DEF, and we will be introducing more starting OL into the fray. Just does not inspire confidence to get this monkey off our back.
We had the talent this year IMO, we just did not have the game plan or the ability to adjust to what they were doing. Move, countermove. Just not a strong trait of CLM and his staff. Sad.
Hope we finish strong in this recruiting cycle and have a few EE's who can contribute on day one next fall; we are going to need them.
We had the talent this year IMO, we just did not have the game plan or the ability to adjust to what they were doing. Move, countermove. Just not a strong trait of CLM and his staff. Sad.
Hope we finish strong in this recruiting cycle and have a few EE's who can contribute on day one next fall; we are going to need them.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:01 am to tc5140
quote:
is it right to blame coaching?
Yes.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:01 am to tc5140
I just don't understand after a week off, all the hype surrounding the game how this team could come out unprepared and unmotivated.
It blows my mind.
How in the F can you not be ready to play?
It blows my mind.
How in the F can you not be ready to play?
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:04 am to tc5140
While Bama is bringing in more hyped recruits I disagree that the resukts of the game proved that was the main issue. The defense looked very good during a good portion of the game. The fact LSU had 45 offensive plays hurt the defense and let them get wore down.
It all came down to offensive scheme. LSU has the offensive talent to also run a more open offense and they never really committed to it in an adjustment. If the defense doesn't respect the pass every down when you line up in the I formation then an elite defense is going to give you trouble. They were incredibly predictable and that will not work on defense like LSU and Bama have. Instead of running Fournette straight up the middle and wasting plays he should have been letting Harris get comfortable with 4-5 WR sets early and often. The game was lost because of the offensive gameplan.
Additionally, look what offense Bama runs. They aren't stupid enough to run that predictable offense against LSU and they supposedly have the huge talent advantage according to the media.
It all came down to offensive scheme. LSU has the offensive talent to also run a more open offense and they never really committed to it in an adjustment. If the defense doesn't respect the pass every down when you line up in the I formation then an elite defense is going to give you trouble. They were incredibly predictable and that will not work on defense like LSU and Bama have. Instead of running Fournette straight up the middle and wasting plays he should have been letting Harris get comfortable with 4-5 WR sets early and often. The game was lost because of the offensive gameplan.
Additionally, look what offense Bama runs. They aren't stupid enough to run that predictable offense against LSU and they supposedly have the huge talent advantage according to the media.
This post was edited on 11/9/15 at 9:18 am
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:04 am to LSUfan20005
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To a degree. But coaches don't miss tackles But coaches don't miss blocks While the game plan was lacking, execution sucked as well. And don't go all ape shite blaming Miles. It's the coordinators and assistants who have the biggest impact on preparation. Sure, Miles is in charge, but he can't be expected to coach each player individually.
No answer your question with how long would those problems last under a demanding coaching staff. I promise you it would not happen in the business approach eluded to in the OP.
This post was edited on 11/9/15 at 9:06 am
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:06 am to cyogi
YES!!!!! 
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:06 am to tc5140
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Alabama in the past pre-Saban had a demand that lose to Auburn two times and your out.
Nick Saban has lost to Auburn 3 times
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