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re: In all seriousness, what's the deal with LSU and it's QB's?

Posted on 1/15/15 at 8:56 pm to
Posted by ORTIGER
Oregon
Member since Dec 2014
905 posts
Posted on 1/15/15 at 8:56 pm to
We should start with recruiting a qb who can complete 10-15 yard passes. Jordan jefferson couldnt and now AJ cant.
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
53771 posts
Posted on 1/15/15 at 8:57 pm to
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Damn ApexTiger for over 31k posts you sure are late to this party!!!


Dude! Bro! I started the party before Miles was our HC and now I am telling everyone to clean this QB mess up and leave me a tip for the hassle of being a positiger all these years
Posted by Tigahbader
Nunya
Member since Oct 2014
767 posts
Posted on 1/15/15 at 8:57 pm to
Dont hold your breath.....The shite they're pulling at QB defies logic or explanation!
This post was edited on 1/15/15 at 8:58 pm
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
53771 posts
Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:00 pm to
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Dont hold your breath.....The shite they're pulling at QB defies explanation!


My close LSU friends, we complain about it all the time

All you can do is just laugh after you have pulled your hair out.

It defies understanding, so there can be no answer to it

it must be a test of our fanhood
Posted by Tigahbader
Nunya
Member since Oct 2014
767 posts
Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:02 pm to
Truer words!
Posted by TigerGA
Georgia Coast
Member since Oct 2010
1077 posts
Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:06 pm to
I have no answer for LSU's QB issues. Makes you wonder how Ohio State can win a NC with a third string QB and we can't find anyone nearly as talented.
Posted by StealthCalais11
Lurker since 2007
Member since Aug 2011
12449 posts
Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:11 pm to
All of the above
Posted by HeadCoach
Shady's Parking Lot
Member since Mar 2009
5659 posts
Posted on 1/15/15 at 10:06 pm to
The current 2 were pretty bad this year. Why is this rehashed 1000 times. A better question is, why is there this myth that other schools are churning out allstars year after year. 2014 excluded, we've been up and down like everyone else
Posted by Earthquake 88
Mobile
Member since Jan 2010
3011 posts
Posted on 1/15/15 at 11:29 pm to
Rest squarely on the shoulders of coaching. I shake me head when I see ULL, ULM or LA Tech on TV and they have a QB that can actually complete 20-25 passes a game. Hopefully Harris can be the guy and some of the future QB's are not a bust.

Posted by jumpup123
Member since Jan 2015
181 posts
Posted on 1/16/15 at 12:14 am to
Why years ago option qb could to NFL and run pro style offences and today a high school qb can't come in and take snap from under center...take three to seven steps (while not chewing gum) and complete a pass...my money against an athletic player would be to fail a drug screen or a class(wow) would come first.

Why do you guys think beyond a shadow of a dought that receiving a football from under center or watching a ball from under center to there hands and throwing a pass to a open receiver is harder one way or another. Most of these (student athletes have been doing one way or another since they were 10. Probably while making c in the class room. Tired of hearing hard it is to step back three to seven steps...while two to four men run to a pre determine spot is so!!!! Complicated. Every idiot that owns an Xbox can read a safety and figure out where to throw a pass. Even if it's to the best receiver while in single coverage.
Posted by jumpup123
Member since Jan 2015
181 posts
Posted on 1/16/15 at 12:22 am to
We are holding out for a gunner keil type and waiting to offer Prescott type until late and being rejected by both types.

Need Harris to prove wrong. The last 5 star qb ended up receiver.

Would have loved to seen Perilloux at qb.
Posted by Gray Tiger
Prairieville, LA
Member since Jan 2004
36512 posts
Posted on 1/16/15 at 12:33 am to
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Tired of hearing hard it is to step back three to seven steps...while two to four men run to a pre determine spot is so!!!! Complicated. Every idiot that owns an Xbox can read a safety and figure out where to throw a pass. Even if it's to the best receiver while in single coverage.



Show us your championship rings if is so easy.
You are saying is that playing quarterback at LSU is no more difficult than playing Xbox?
Is that how you did it because you certainly fit the idiot part.

That is with a doubt the stupidest thing I have ever read.

Thanks again for proving the intelligence of the nagatiger.
Posted by SofaKingTrill
Member since Mar 2008
6830 posts
Posted on 1/16/15 at 2:14 am to
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Show us your championship rings if is so easy.
You are saying is that playing quarterback at LSU is no more difficult than playing Xbox?
Is that how you did it because you certainly fit the idiot part.

That is with a doubt the stupidest thing I have ever read.

Thanks again for proving the intelligence of the nagatiger


I wouldn't get so upset over that guys post. If you managed to read it, your comprehension skills are well above average. The post isn't even coherent at certain points. Lol.

On the subject about the quarterback, I truly believe that Harris will be our man and put in a lot of work this off season. He showed in his limited playing time that he is capable of running the offense and putting up points while passing the ball accurately.

The truth is that we gave up on him while putting him in terrible situations at Auburn. Harris as a true freshman went to top 10 Auburn, which is a very hostile atmosphere. Out of the first 20 plays LSU ran the ball 17 times, with a lot of negative downs and penalties. When LSU did throw the ball it was on obvious passing downs for long yardage (6-7+ yards) On those plays, Auburn's defense could just pin their ears back and send everybody at Harris, who was scrambling for his life on passing downs. All of that is happening in our first 3-4 possessions on offense while our defense is playing similar to a leaking sieve, allowing Auburn to score on every possession. If Im remembering correctly, LSU was down 17 before we even gained a first down. That game was not just "a poor showing" by Brandon Harris. LSU's powerful running game was even stuffed in short yardage. The fact that Miles and Cam put Harris in that situation with the whole team playing poorly, and then abandoned him sans a few plays against Kentucky for the rest of the season is just dumb. It had to have stripped him of a lot of confidence. I still think that after a good spring/summer that he'll restore some of that confidence and come back slinging. The kid is athletic as hell and has a great arm. You could see what he's capable of during the new mexico state game. I know they're a poor man's team of the deaf, dumb, and blind but those plays that are being run will work against a good defens. I think if theyre executed properly like in that game and used in the correct situation without being so predictable (17 out of 20 plays running the ball and only passing on 3rd and long,) our offense will be just fine.

Honestly I'm glad it's the off season and that Harris will have time to regroup and win the job back.

TL;Dr Harris will be the man, he just needs to gain his confidence back.

Sorry if the post has a shite ton of mistakes, just typed all of it out on my phone.


Posted by Methuselah
On da Riva
Member since Jan 2005
23350 posts
Posted on 1/16/15 at 4:56 am to
The funny thing is that they seemed to go to more option against TAMU and it worked. QB had a lot of yards running and I'm thinking did a bit better passing too.

I really was hoping to see more of that in the bowl but for some reason we seemed to abandon it and go back to what hadn't been working before.
Posted by LCTFAN
New Iberia
Member since Mar 2013
2738 posts
Posted on 1/16/15 at 6:34 am to
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LSU did throw the ball it was on obvious passing downs for long yardage (6-7+ yards) On those plays, Auburn's defense could just pin their ears back and send everybody at Harris, who was scrambling for his life on passing downs.


Finally someone puts the Auburn game in the correct light in stead of saying Harris played horrible. LSU defense gave up 17 points, our offense basically ran the ball conservative and we all understand Les did not want to lose the game from the start. Auburn defense line saw blood and went after Harris, we put him in a bad situation and he never recovered.

The off season will heal all wounds and Harris will be back in the Fall
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422311 posts
Posted on 1/16/15 at 6:48 am to
CFB programs go through QB droughts (this killed Miami and FSU after their late 90s/early 00s dynasties), but we've made it an art form

it's a story

les and jimbo clash in 05-06 while jimbo runs his offense with his QBs from the saban era. jimbo was an amazing QB scout/recruiter and OC

les hires crowton and wants to install a modern spread scheme to mix with jimbo's offense. 2007 was the transitional year. we also had the benefit of saban's final QB recruit, who was developed by jimbo, matt flynn

then 2008 arrives and we come out with a wide open offense with lee and it's ok but HIGHLY unlucky with pick 6s. then JJ comes in for the bowl game, does well for a true frosh, so miles changes the offense again

2009-2010 were an attempt to run a spread/spread option hybrid with zone blocking with JJ. 2009 was a solid year for a true sophomore (and our defense rebuilding after the 2008 debacle helped). 2010 was pretty bad, though

i forget when, but we also decide to go back to big mammoth OL and man blocking b/c saban owns us and he's using this system

2011 JJ is suspended and we go to a SUPER vanilla offense that is efficient but pretty terrible. our defense is one of the best of the post-modern CFB era and it combined with our STs are our offense, and more importantly, are our backbreaker/momentum shifters. 2011 dissolves into a failure with 1-9-12 because our D/ST never had that momentum-shifting play and we saw how bad our offense was when left alone

2012 was OK with mett. 2013 was great when we were loaded with NFL-ready talent in CFB

now we are left with a shaky QB in jennings who just doesn't seem to process information or throw accurately and a true frosh who should have redshirted who got in the doghouse for off the field stuff. we also went back to a zone-blocking system that shook our running offense up early

i think 2015 shows us if les wants his pets at QB or if les wants an aggressive offense again with the jennings/harris decision

all this talk about "spread QB and pro offense" is bullshite. we won our 2 titles with mobile QBs. there is no reason jennings or harris should have difficulty with our more pro-style offense. they're in the same mold as flynn/mauck.

les fears throwing in the middle of the field due to 2008 and right now he only trusts an offense when we trot out an NFL team
This post was edited on 1/16/15 at 6:49 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422311 posts
Posted on 1/16/15 at 6:56 am to
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I think you hit all of the issues. To me, it is Cam's inability to adjust to the talent he has. Our offense was great with Mett, Landry, ODB and Hill. We had all the pieces to run Cam's offense.

let me add to my wall of text something about cam

he runs a very complex scheme that may be too much for the vast majority of CFB QBs to run. if they can't run it, we get the most vanilla shite-tasitc offense known to man

when he came in, mett had spent almost 2 years at "QB School" at UGA, a year in JUCO, and 2 years at LSU. he was a RS Sr QB who had been coachaed up early by the best and had just seen a lot.

picking up a complex scheme wasn't anything for an elite dude like that. i fear that the scheme is way too much for a normal QB in CFB. on top of being elite, it's way too much for a young, normal QB in CFB. that's the scary part. we may be in another JJ/Lee scenario where we have to watch harris/jennings crash and burn until our next recruits are upperclassmen
Posted by navy
Parts Unknown, LA
Member since Sep 2010
29031 posts
Posted on 1/16/15 at 7:22 am to

Discuss that all you want ... but, on some occasions, everything works fine ... except that the QB makes a horrible, uncatchable throw.


Not sure how you fix that other than find someone else.
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33794 posts
Posted on 1/16/15 at 8:23 am to
They're trying to make spread QBs successful in a pro-style offense. Simple. It's an uphill battle for anyone.

That's not even taking into account that trying to find a SEC-caliber QB in HS is like looking for a needle in a haystack.

I know people say well simplify the offense. If you're going to do that then what's even the point of having a Cam in the organization?
This post was edited on 1/16/15 at 8:27 am
Posted by cheeser
downtown Fishville
Member since Feb 2007
2500 posts
Posted on 1/16/15 at 8:58 am to
Didn't you guys see the presser from goodoleless that said we recruit LSU style players ? In his brilliance he said the players have to fit his system instead of taking the players we have, and fitting a plan to their strengths. This is he is ego shining through, and all just part of his being the head coach.nothing will change along those lines.BH should be looking for a landing zone.
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