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re: I'm gonna be a heretic here but play calling is not the problem
Posted on 11/17/14 at 10:39 am to ShortyRob
Posted on 11/17/14 at 10:39 am to ShortyRob
quote:I think he still lives in a world where a QB has and needs three years to learn a system.
The man is either the worst QB talent evaluator on the planet or, he can't figure out how to develop them worth shite. Either way, that is STILL on him.
That is not the case, QBs just pick up and leave. That is why the spreads work, it allows a more plug and play approach at QB. Pro style is highly QB reliant. Malzahn could find 10 QBs tomorrow and have them ready to move the ball in less than a year. Of course this is a bad week to prop up Gus.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 10:40 am to ShortyRob
Yes, the play-calling has to be limited based on what Jennings can't do. But we aren't tailoring it to what he CAN do. He can use his legs to get out of the pocket and make some decent throws on the run. I was glad to at least see a couple designed runs for him, but they were so predictable and unimaginative.
The whole scheme was simply atrocious Saturday and it's been a long time coming that we'd flat-out lay an egg like that. I guess I just wanted to keep the faith all long, but we've all been staring it in the face all year.
The whole scheme was simply atrocious Saturday and it's been a long time coming that we'd flat-out lay an egg like that. I guess I just wanted to keep the faith all long, but we've all been staring it in the face all year.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 10:42 am to FLObserver
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Miles seems to recruit Spread Qb's for a pro-style offense. Thats on miles. The prostyle guys miles has had : flynn, russell and Mett seemed to do well but he seems to not recruit these types of guys.
Agree.
And as someone stated earlier he really seems terrified of seeing poor QB play on the field. Its like somebody locked Les in a punishment box years ago when his QB's played poorly. Bad flashbacks for CLM...
Posted on 11/17/14 at 10:42 am to lsu2006
quote:We scored 1 TD the week before. 1 against AU, 1 against Ole Miss.
The whole scheme was simply atrocious Saturday and it's been a long time coming that we'd flat-out lay an egg like that
We have such low expectations we take that as not laying an egg
Posted on 11/17/14 at 10:42 am to DBU
I totally agree. EVERY team knows that we will run off tackle most of the time on first and second down and mostly to the left side. The opposing teams also know that Jennings is not a gunslinger and defend accordingly on third downs. The above refers to SEC teams and not the cream puffs.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 10:43 am to DBU
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The QB can't throw? Okay. That doesn't mean to line up in a 2-TE, FB, HB, 1WR set and try and run it up the middle against a 10-man box every play.
This is exactly correct.
Even if we can't throw, make our play calling unpredictable. Use various different formations. Run from pass formations. Pass from run formations. Run more misdirection. Draws, screens. Keep the defense guessing.
Call plays that accentuate our strengths and minimize our weaknesses. Our coaches are paid millions. This isn't rocket science. Why aren't they doing it???
Posted on 11/17/14 at 10:44 am to tigerfoot
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We scored 1 TD the week before. 1 against AU, 1 against Ole Miss.
I feel like a lot of our issues with low output in those games was lack of execution and, in the case of Ole Miss, turnovers. The scheme wasn't great, don't get me wrong, but it wasn't mind-frickingly terrible as in Arkansas.
ETA: didn't mean to include Auburn in the "not horrible scheme" list. That was also horrible.
The Arkansas game was an all-around failure from top to bottom - coaches, players, everyone.
This post was edited on 11/17/14 at 10:47 am
Posted on 11/17/14 at 10:47 am to tigerfoot
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That is not the case, QBs just pick up and leave. That is why the spreads work, it allows a more plug and play approach at QB.
People are in love with the spread but, the reality is, there have been plenty of very good offenses that are not spread, even in recent years.
Typically, those coaches have a batch of what might be referred to as "safe" calls for relatively new QBs. A good example would be passes like the one that SHOULD have worked vs Bama in overtime on 1st Down. For years, we've seemed allergic to this approach.
Even in Lee's 1st year, after he had demonstrated that he could pass, but also was erratic enough to be error prone, we seemed insistent upon throwing what would be considered higher risk stuff.
Now, we've gone the OPPOSITE way. Now, we're just scared shitless to throw at all.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 10:48 am to atltiger6487
Fellas, we have 2 games left so we might as well try to enjoy it before it's over. We should stop asking for Harris b/c it's not going to happen. We should stop asking for more open formations b/c it's not going to happen. Miles know the blueprint for beating A&M is running the ball and that's what we'll get that game. He will fear their offense and try to play keep away football. We are very limited with Jennings at QB, and the staff is not helping either. 2014 gives us hope if we can get the QB position settled for 2015.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 10:49 am to DBU
quote:How many plays were run from this?
That doesn't mean to line up in a 2-TE, FB, HB, 1WR set and try and run it up the middle against a 10-man box every play.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 10:49 am to DBU
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The QB can't throw? Okay. That doesn't mean to line up in a 2-TE, FB, HB, 1WR set and try and run it up the middle against a 10-man box every play.
Yep. Wisconsin's qb is as bad as ours, but they are able to use creativity in the running/blocking game to create offense.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 10:49 am to ShortyRob
I get the feeling that Miles and Cam are both as surprised and disappointed in the QB situation as the fans are. He admitted in his post-game presser that we have to get better on offense. You could hear the disgust in his voice. I think they have been expecting Jennings to turn a corner, and (apparently) it's not going to happen. What is even more discouraging to me is the lack of faith they seem to have in Harris too.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 10:52 am to ShortyRob
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I'm gonna be a heretic here but play calling is not the problem
You are wrong, playing calling is the problem! When the average fan knows what play you are going to run prior to the snap, how difficult do you think it is for defenses and defensive coordinators to read? Exactly, not difficult at all.
Now the root of the problem is poor QB play which forces us to call plays everyone knows what is about to be run, but the problem is the play calling. Fix the root of the problem and hopefully that fixes the problem, but the problem is still play calling.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 12:00 pm to AlxTgr
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How many plays were run from this?
I have no definitive answer for you, but (and this may just be selective memory) IIRC we ran it frequently in the arky game
Posted on 11/17/14 at 12:02 pm to monsterballads
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what happens if LSU gets blanked again vs a&m?
Would be the most amazing melt in TD history
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