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re: If you feel sorry for Miles...don't
Posted on 11/28/15 at 9:54 am to LSUJuicer
Posted on 11/28/15 at 9:54 am to LSUJuicer
quote:You forget ONE thing. There was ZERO fan uprising / not anyplace until the media put this story out and Les nor LSU said one word to sqush it. This is NOT the fans fault. Good point to - lots of folks across the USA envy all LSU sports cause we are always in Championship contention or televised a lot more than other schools.
And I have had more friends outside of LSU who cheer for other SEC teams contact me to say, "what is LSU thinking?"
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Posted on 11/28/15 at 10:11 am to LSUnowhas2
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Les Miles makes about 4.5 million bucks a year (rounded up). That means that over 365 days he earns $12,328.80 in gross salary per day.
If this is the basis for your argument, you are a fool and one of our worst fans. If this is really how you think, then you have no excuse for expecting Miles to beat everyone else, especially Saban, unless he is paid more than everyone else, especially Saban.
Pick a better argument.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 10:13 am to LSUnowhas2
I guess money rules all in this new, warped "true LSU fan" mindset.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 10:15 am to LSUnowhas2
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Les Miles makes about 4.5 million bucks a year (rounded up). That means that over 365 days he earns $12,328.80 in gross salary per day. Unless you are an OT lounge balla (I know that applies to many of you) Les Miles is making more money in three days than the average median household income for Louisiana (36K) makes in a year. Les has been paid in the neighborhood of 50 million bucks gross in his 11 years here with at least an another 12 million on the way. That is generational transformative wealth. His grandkids will never have to work if he doesn't want them to. The pity party for Miles can stop. He is doing just fine.
Couldn't have said it better myself, and I am still surprised so many posters to this forum, and co-workers at the office, don't seem to remember this when waxing sentimental for Les Miles, who has played his position at LSU so completely for his monetary benefit it is grotesque.
He needed to go years ago.
This post was edited on 11/28/15 at 10:21 am
Posted on 11/28/15 at 10:16 am to Federal Tiger
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Nothing like class warfare this early in the morning.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 10:19 am to theunknownknight
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Don't forget endorsements like Raisin Canes
This is part of his salary as the op reports it. His state salary is much, much lower than $4.5M
Posted on 11/28/15 at 10:33 am to thetruthurtsowe
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There was ZERO fan uprising/not anyplace until the media put this story out and Les nor LSU said one word to squish it.
I see you are new here, as far as posts go. I've been reading stuff on the rant for close to 8 or 9 years, and as far back as I can remember, there has always been "fan uprising" when it came to Les Miles.
Be it salary, coaching decisions, or the way he walked, talked, clapped, spoke or the clothes he wore. Some "fans" despised everything he's done here at LSU, including his wins.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 10:43 am to sardog12
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If this is the basis for your argument, you are a fool and one of our worst fans. If this is really how you think, then you have no excuse for expecting Miles to beat everyone else, especially Saban, unless he is paid more than everyone else, especially Saban.
Pick a better argument.
There is no other argument. This guy, Les Miles, knows plenty enough to usurp his position and he has for many years. Relative to the resources available to him (talent, resources, fan support, salary, etc.), what he is delivering to the stakeholders (TAF, fans, school, students, state, etc.) is not cutting it.
It is a purely business relationship and as CEO he is not performing to expectations.
CEO's don't get a pass because they are "percieved" as nice guys. Geez, how gullible are some fans to prioritize that ploy of over all other relevant criteria. Yes, he has played LSU like a fiddle.
This post was edited on 11/28/15 at 11:02 am
Posted on 11/28/15 at 10:46 am to Wideman
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I guess money rules all in this new, warped "true LSU fan" mindset.
It's a fricking job...
This thread is about why not to feel sorry for Les.
People lose their jobs all the time. I would consider Les' loss of his job due to his failure to perform. He is stubborn and wants to hold on to an offensive scheme that he knows (and is proven) will ultimately fail.
If the amounts of wins/losses that Miles' achieves is how he values his identity and self worth as a human being, man, and father, then he has the problem.
If it is a job to him and money is how you judge your success in a JOB then he has done quite well for himself.
Keep in mind Les played the contract game several times over the years for what? More money. Apparently money means something to Les also...
Posted on 11/28/15 at 10:57 am to Tiger Ugly
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How does that rank among college head coaches today? 4th or 5th?
9th. 8th is Penn State. 10th is Ole Miss and 11th is Baylor. Just a few thousands separate 8th to 11th.
USA Today College Football Salaries
Posted on 11/28/15 at 11:05 am to Tiger Ugly
Posted on 11/28/15 at 11:09 am to tiger88
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There is no other argument. This guy, Les Miles, knows plenty enough to usurp his position and he has for many years. Relative to the resources available to him (talent, resources, fan support, salary, etc.), what he is delivering to the stakeholders (TAF, fans, school, students, state, etc.) is not cutting it.
It is a purely business relationship and as CEO he is not performing to expectations.
CEO's don't get a pass because they are "percieved" as nice guys. Geez, how gullible are some fans to prioritize that ploy of over all other relevant criteria. Yes, he has played LSU like a fiddle.
So it is your opinion that he squeezed the university for as much as he could and that was his primary concern, not for the players and representing the university as well as he could and with as much class as possible? So you would be happy as a Arky fan in slop if he won at all costs and was the sleaziest, most morally inept person in the world? Like the OP, your argument is poor.
This post was edited on 11/28/15 at 11:11 am
Posted on 11/28/15 at 11:13 am to LSUnowhas2
Whoever the next coach is, I hope that they have "nice guy, good family man, etc." as part of the contract so that we know that this is part of the job requirement.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 11:31 am to sardog12
Your reading comprehension is low. I never once said a word that Miles wasn't being paid the market rate or that when he was paid these sums of money he was being overpaid or whatever other machinations you have come up with in your own head. My thought is that Miles was paid what the free market demanded. He is like the CEO of LSU football. Think of the LSU board of supervisors and TAF boosters as Miles' board of directors and stockholders respectively. Miles' company, LSU football, has been underperforming against projections for the last three years (see conference record and division record) despite making moves at the other executive level positions like DC and OC (think CFO and COO). Because the company is underperforming (and not showing improvement) there are folks on the board of supervisors and TAF that are unhappy with their return on investment. That's all this is. It's a business decision. Do you get your panties in a twist and worry about the CEO of Exxon (insert any company here) has his feelings hurt when he is ousted for not performing? I don't because they leave their position having earned a literal shitpile of moohlah and get a golden parachute on their way out the door. That is my point.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 1:14 pm to LSUnowhas2
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Your reading comprehension is low.
Not at all. I comprehended what you said very well. If you meant something different, you should have stated it more clearly.
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I never once said a word that Miles wasn't being paid the market rate or that when he was paid these sums of money he was being overpaid or whatever other machinations you have come up with in your own head. My thought is that Miles was paid what the free market demanded. He is like the CEO of LSU football. Think of the LSU board of supervisors and TAF boosters as Miles' board of directors and stockholders respectively. Miles' company, LSU football, has been underperforming against projections for the last three years (see conference record and division record) despite making moves at the other executive level positions like DC and OC (think CFO and COO). Because the company is underperforming (and not showing improvement) there are folks on the board of supervisors and TAF that are unhappy with their return on investment. That's all this is. It's a business decision. Do you get your panties in a twist and worry about the CEO of Exxon (insert any company here) has his feelings hurt when he is ousted for not performing? I don't because they leave their position having earned a literal shitpile of moohlah and get a golden parachute on their way out the door. That is my point.
This is better but still falls far short of the mark. Trying to equate the head coaching job of a university to a CEO of Exxon is incorrect. This would be more apt of a comparison if you were using Alleva, not Miles. But back to your attempted point, you are now bringing in that he underachieved which had nothing to do with your original post. You simply stated that he makes so much money that nobody should feel sorry for him. My point is that he has done enough to promote the university and to attempt to bring in coaches who could train the players to earn some sympathy for the situation he is in, whether he put himself in it or not. Even if he has come up short, he has tried and at no point do I feel like he didn't give a shite about the players or university. This is not an argument that he should be allowed to stay but that he doesn't deserve to be left twisting in the wind without a comment from the administration like it appears he has been.
This post was edited on 11/28/15 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 11/28/15 at 3:15 pm to sardog12
You read into my post stuff that simply wasn't there. I can't help that. I attempted to further explain and that wasn't good enough either.
The administration doesn't owe anything else to Miles, the media, etc. they will make the decision when they make the decision and let everybody else know on their own timetable. And nobody (including myself) ever said that Miles doesn't give a shite about the team or the university. But caring isn't a reason to keep someone on that is underperforming.
The administration doesn't owe anything else to Miles, the media, etc. they will make the decision when they make the decision and let everybody else know on their own timetable. And nobody (including myself) ever said that Miles doesn't give a shite about the team or the university. But caring isn't a reason to keep someone on that is underperforming.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 11:09 pm to LSUnowhas2
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You read into my post stuff that simply wasn't there. I can't help that. I attempted to further explain and that wasn't good enough either.
The administration doesn't owe anything else to Miles, the media, etc. they will make the decision when they make the decision and let everybody else know on their own timetable. And nobody (including myself) ever said that Miles doesn't give a shite about the team or the university. But caring isn't a reason to keep someone on that is underperforming.
Besides your trying to now change what you originally posted, I guess this is immaterial now. Again, next time, be clear about what you post and you won't have to change it later.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 8:54 am to RANDY44
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9th according to this link. Just above Hugh Freeze.
Then I think expecting our team to finish in that area is a reasonable expectation going forward with consequences if we do not.
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