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re: I think the NFL is starting to see something
Posted on 9/10/14 at 6:29 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
Posted on 9/10/14 at 6:29 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
I like the idea.... And they can have more than five request grades but have to get premission. It's bc guys going in rounds 3 or further don't get an accurate grade at all and it's been proven that with the extra year in college they typically mature and get drafted instead of just taking a chance and never make it. They will only give 1st and 2nd round grades no more 3rd. So basically your taking a huge risk if your not ready! I think it's awesome that they are doing this. Will benefit everyone involved. Also if they would just give the guys that need a little money some help it would help this situation some. Do it off of family income or what not?
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Posted on 9/10/14 at 6:32 pm to Navytiger74
The MLB does.
The other things you listed aren't real sports.
The other things you listed aren't real sports.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 6:45 pm to TheHiddenFlask
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The MLB does.
The MLB does what?
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The other things you listed aren't real sports.
Sure guy. I have zero interest in them, but if guys are making millions playing them, they are real sports.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 7:16 pm to nicholastiger
no one but jerry will have full control 
Posted on 9/10/14 at 7:35 pm to JawjaTigah
I'm all for this
Posted on 9/10/14 at 8:36 pm to Saintsisit
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No they're limiting the number that can put in for draft grades.
I don't really see how they could do that either. Who decides what players gets graded and which one doesn't. Seems like there is not really a way to make it fair. Make it four years and require these kids to have a college degree to play in the NFL. At least they'd have something to fall back on if they blow through all of their money.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 8:56 pm to JawjaTigah
The biggest thing I got out of that article is that we alone accounted for 13% of the underclassmen that entered the draft last year.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 11:28 pm to TigerFanNKaty
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and limiting the amount of underclassmen per school allowed to declare.
Seems pretty unfair. What if 6 want to declare, but only 5 are eligible - who gets to go?
Posted on 9/11/14 at 1:54 am to JawjaTigah
quote:I think the NFL policy is full of shite & intended to maintain college FB as their minor leagues
I think the NFL is starting to see something
Posted on 9/11/14 at 1:56 am to Navytiger74
quote:thank you
Crazy idea guy here. What does playing a professional sport have to do with university education at all? MLB, Rugby, Soccer, Hockey don't have such stipulations. Only Football and Bball in these United States. Giant coincidence I'm sure.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 2:31 am to JawjaTigah
No they aren't.
A lot of of people dont like hearing this, but majority of these kids goals are to get to the NFL. Thats it. Sure they wanna win in college as well, not saying they dont. But ultimately, its about getting to the next level for most of them. And, just because you are drafted in the 3rd or 4th round doesnt mean you arent / cant be better than the person that is drafted in the 1st or 2nd in the NFL. That is always happening in the NFL. What if its a player that has had off the field issues but is a 1st or 2nd round talent? They drop him to the 5th round based off what has happened off the field. Every team interprets off the field issues differently. Look at TM for example. Some teams took him completely off their draft board, others dropped him to the 6th or 7th round, some in the 5th, and some still wanted him in the 3rd, which is where he ended up being drafted. All it takes is 1 team to draft you.
The NFL is acting like their evals are always correct and perfect. When its not. You can have an opinion on how you think a player will be in the pros, sure. But its just an opinion. You have no idea what this player will end up being at the next level. Some guys taken in the 5th do better than guys taken in the 1st and 2nd. Nobody can predict that 100% accurately.
And its dumb to do this now with the rookie wage scale in place. Its not about getting that rookie contract. Its about getting that 2nd contract. The best way to do that is to get in the NFL young and healthy and start getting as much experience as you can to help you improve and get that big 2nd contract. 1st and 2nd round contracts are significantly bigger than 3rd round and later contracts. But there isnt that big of a difference in a 3rd round contract and a 6th round contract.
Trai Turner was taken in the 3rd RD #92 overall. He signed a 4yrs $2.79m contract with $539,000 signing bonus and guaranteed money.
Lamin Barrow was taken in the 5th RD #156 overall. He signed a 4yrs $2.41m contract with $191,160signing bonus and guaranteed money.
Alfred Blue was drafted in the 6th RD #181 overall. He signed a 4yrs $2.37m contract with $117,932signing bonus and guaranteed money.
Not that big of a difference between a 3rd round contract and a 6th round contract when you look at the big picture. The NFL is doing this so it looks like they want the kids to stay in school. Its a good PR move by them. But $$$ talks. And the $$$ says there isnt that big of a difference in being drafted in the 3rd round or the 6th round. Might as well go a year earlier and be taken in the 6th rather than stay in college another year. Sure they could move up a round or 2, but they also have just as good a chance of hurting their stock as they do improving it. And you risk the injury factor as well by returning to school.
A lot of of people dont like hearing this, but majority of these kids goals are to get to the NFL. Thats it. Sure they wanna win in college as well, not saying they dont. But ultimately, its about getting to the next level for most of them. And, just because you are drafted in the 3rd or 4th round doesnt mean you arent / cant be better than the person that is drafted in the 1st or 2nd in the NFL. That is always happening in the NFL. What if its a player that has had off the field issues but is a 1st or 2nd round talent? They drop him to the 5th round based off what has happened off the field. Every team interprets off the field issues differently. Look at TM for example. Some teams took him completely off their draft board, others dropped him to the 6th or 7th round, some in the 5th, and some still wanted him in the 3rd, which is where he ended up being drafted. All it takes is 1 team to draft you.
The NFL is acting like their evals are always correct and perfect. When its not. You can have an opinion on how you think a player will be in the pros, sure. But its just an opinion. You have no idea what this player will end up being at the next level. Some guys taken in the 5th do better than guys taken in the 1st and 2nd. Nobody can predict that 100% accurately.
And its dumb to do this now with the rookie wage scale in place. Its not about getting that rookie contract. Its about getting that 2nd contract. The best way to do that is to get in the NFL young and healthy and start getting as much experience as you can to help you improve and get that big 2nd contract. 1st and 2nd round contracts are significantly bigger than 3rd round and later contracts. But there isnt that big of a difference in a 3rd round contract and a 6th round contract.
Trai Turner was taken in the 3rd RD #92 overall. He signed a 4yrs $2.79m contract with $539,000 signing bonus and guaranteed money.
Lamin Barrow was taken in the 5th RD #156 overall. He signed a 4yrs $2.41m contract with $191,160signing bonus and guaranteed money.
Alfred Blue was drafted in the 6th RD #181 overall. He signed a 4yrs $2.37m contract with $117,932signing bonus and guaranteed money.
Not that big of a difference between a 3rd round contract and a 6th round contract when you look at the big picture. The NFL is doing this so it looks like they want the kids to stay in school. Its a good PR move by them. But $$$ talks. And the $$$ says there isnt that big of a difference in being drafted in the 3rd round or the 6th round. Might as well go a year earlier and be taken in the 6th rather than stay in college another year. Sure they could move up a round or 2, but they also have just as good a chance of hurting their stock as they do improving it. And you risk the injury factor as well by returning to school.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 4:41 am to JawjaTigah
This crap is hilarious! We all know what kind of team LSU would have if Les would get to keep his best players for their senior years and you don't see him crying about it or trying to make rules that force his players to play for him longer than they want to play.
But leave it to Nicky to try once again to shamelessly go for every little advantage for his team over most others and do it in a way that would make it law for the NCAA. What a putz. Only a bunch of putzes would fail to see this as anything other than a weak attempt to take another advantage as if he is somehow entitled to make rules out of whatever benefits his own team.
As for limiting draft grades... that will really make a difference. It will make a difference in the relevance of all of those analysts who put out mock drafts because those players will be using them to get an idea of their prospects instead of the NCAA's analysts. What's the difference anyway?
But leave it to Nicky to try once again to shamelessly go for every little advantage for his team over most others and do it in a way that would make it law for the NCAA. What a putz. Only a bunch of putzes would fail to see this as anything other than a weak attempt to take another advantage as if he is somehow entitled to make rules out of whatever benefits his own team.
As for limiting draft grades... that will really make a difference. It will make a difference in the relevance of all of those analysts who put out mock drafts because those players will be using them to get an idea of their prospects instead of the NCAA's analysts. What's the difference anyway?
Posted on 9/11/14 at 7:39 am to KG5989
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A lot of of people dont like hearing this, but majority of these kids goals are to get to the NFL. Thats it. Sure they wanna win in college as well, not saying they dont. But ultimately, its about getting to the next level for most of them. And, just because you are drafted in the 3rd or 4th round doesnt mean you arent / cant be better than the person that is drafted in the 1st or 2nd in the NFL. That is always happening in the NFL. What if its a player that has had off the field issues but is a 1st or 2nd round talent? They drop him to the 5th round based off what has happened off the field. Every team interprets off the field issues differently. Look at TM for example. Some teams took him completely off their draft board, others dropped him to the 6th or 7th round, some in the 5th, and some still wanted him in the 3rd, which is where he ended up being drafted. All it takes is 1 team to draft you.
The NFL is acting like their evals are always correct and perfect. When its not. You can have an opinion on how you think a player will be in the pros, sure. But its just an opinion. You have no idea what this player will end up being at the next level. Some guys taken in the 5th do better than guys taken in the 1st and 2nd. Nobody can predict that 100% accurately.
And its dumb to do this now with the rookie wage scale in place. Its not about getting that rookie contract. Its about getting that 2nd contract. The best way to do that is to get in the NFL young and healthy and start getting as much experience as you can to help you improve and get that big 2nd contract. 1st and 2nd round contracts are significantly bigger than 3rd round and later contracts. But there isnt that big of a difference in a 3rd round contract and a 6th round contract.
Trai Turner was taken in the 3rd RD #92 overall. He signed a 4yrs $2.79m contract with $539,000 signing bonus and guaranteed money.
Lamin Barrow was taken in the 5th RD #156 overall. He signed a 4yrs $2.41m contract with $191,160signing bonus and guaranteed money.
Alfred Blue was drafted in the 6th RD #181 overall. He signed a 4yrs $2.37m contract with $117,932signing bonus and guaranteed money.
Not that big of a difference between a 3rd round contract and a 6th round contract when you look at the big picture. The NFL is doing this so it looks like they want the kids to stay in school. Its a good PR move by them. But $$$ talks. And the $$$ says there isnt that big of a difference in being drafted in the 3rd round or the 6th round. Might as well go a year earlier and be taken in the 6th rather than stay in college another year. Sure they could move up a round or 2, but they also have just as good a chance of hurting their stock as they do improving it. And you risk the injury factor as well by returning to school.
Great info. It's funny how much time and effort people put into talking around issues. Fact is, most NFL caliber talent kids are not interested in becoming accountants or engineers. They want to get to the next level and perform. "Tacky" as that apparently seems to some, it makes perfect financial sense. The average white collar professional will make (at the high end) about $2.8M in career. A hardworking talented player can easily make that on his first contract (even with new rules in place). All of these proposals are packaged as being in the best interest of the players when everyone knows that's bullshite. The winners are (1) the league, who get to strengthen their free farm system, and (2) the schools, who get to keep $110M cash cow programs going without paying much to their workforce. Meanwhile the kids, many of whom come from nothing and have young families, spend 3 of their peak physical years (esp RBs) taking Sports medicine and communications courses.
Love CFB, but every time these "changes" are proposed the cynicism of it all makes me gag.
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