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I like Dupree in the Slot
Posted on 4/22/15 at 9:39 am
Posted on 4/22/15 at 9:39 am
Just got to watch the Spring Game.
I like some of the plays we ran with Dupree in the slot and Chark out wide.
Gonna get some great mismatches, and if we can get people to respect Chark as a deep threat we can run some great underneath stuff.
I like some of the plays we ran with Dupree in the slot and Chark out wide.
Gonna get some great mismatches, and if we can get people to respect Chark as a deep threat we can run some great underneath stuff.
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Posted on 4/22/15 at 9:42 am to SammyTiger
I like it as a change of pace, but he needs to always be on the field and needs a good bit of time on the outside as well
He's a superstar IMO. There should be no limit to where he can lineup as a skill player. Just get him the ball.
Amazing he only had like 14 catches last year and 5 TDs.
He's a superstar IMO. There should be no limit to where he can lineup as a skill player. Just get him the ball.
Amazing he only had like 14 catches last year and 5 TDs.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 9:44 am to wildtigercat93
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I like it as a change of pace, but he needs to always be on the field and needs a good bit of time on the outside as well
i agree, and clearly in 2 wideout sets it he should be on the field more often than not
Posted on 4/22/15 at 9:44 am to SammyTiger
He and Quinn are our best route runners. Would love to see them rotate in the slot.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 9:47 am to wildtigercat93
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wildtigercat93
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Amazing he only had like 14 catches last year and 5 TDs.
Had a "nagging" injury early last year that kept him from practicing. When he got left off the Wisconsin travel roster, the message was both sent and received properly. Some folks were worried but it was just a bump in the road. Like many Freshman.
Unfortunately for Chi, one thing your relative level of maturity can't make up for is how big and strong you are. If you can't get off the jam at the line, you can't really get to the spot on the field you need to by the time you need to get there in order to make a catch.
Which means you limit your value and your PT as a result.
The good news is that he's done work to alleviate that already. It's readily apparent he got bigger and much stronger since the end of the year. By Fall Camp he will be ready. He just needs to work on technique at the line.
This post was edited on 4/22/15 at 9:53 am
Posted on 4/22/15 at 9:48 am to SammyTiger
i agree...he is and will be elite...and i promise you him in the slot with chark and dural on outside its gonna be sick...because i think chark is gonna be a game changer that people will have to respect...and i just dont think there is a team with a defensive backfield that can cover all three of them...
Dupre in slot usually will get 3rd string CB or safety
Dupre in slot usually will get 3rd string CB or safety
Posted on 4/22/15 at 9:51 am to TigerStripes30
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TigerStripes30
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i agree...he is and will be elite...and i promise you him in the slot with chark and dural on outside its gonna be sick...because i think chark is gonna be a game changer that people will have to respect...and i just dont think there is a team with a defensive backfield that can cover all three of them... Dupre in slot usually will get 3rd string CB or safety
You and many others thought the same thing last year. Dural had the same problem I just mentioned with Dupre. None were strong enough to beat press man. As the season wore on, tight coverage with a jam at the line completely derailed our routes and made our receivers make our QB's look less than pedestrian (as if they needed help in that department).
Chark looks like a skinny kid. He's got the height, speed and playmaking abilty. But if you can't get off the LOS in the SEC, you aren't going to be able to do much.
Dupre & Dural have gotten muuuuuch bigger and stronger though. If Chark can't continue to add muscle then he won't make an impact like those two. IMO anyway.
This post was edited on 4/22/15 at 9:52 am
Posted on 4/22/15 at 9:56 am to GFunk
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But if you can't get off the LOS in the SEC, you aren't going to be able to do much.
speaking of that, how good did KTII look in press coverage.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 9:57 am to GFunk
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He had maturity issues
Why do all these players who have the talent we need all of the sudden have maturity issues?
First Brandon Harris now Chi had maturity issues? I don't get where all this is coming from. Its not like we hear them beating women and stealing like a bama and florida. I think people are putting these kids who were true freshman on too high of a pedestal. Imagine your freshman year at college I am sure it would put these guys to shame. I know mine would.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 10:06 am to LSU_Saints_Hornets
Great thing about Chi is he can be used anywhere. Really versatile. I would prefer to keep him out wide. Got great speed and physicality to be a R. Randle in my opinion but with a higher ceiling and that's saying something. Great thing going for us right now. Quality depth at WR. If we can get another strong receiver(height/speed) to step up as well, you can start to create serious mismatches by moving Chi into the slot and have a poor little linebacker/safety ending up covering him.
I'm curious about Chark though, obviously nothing but high praise from him so far, but I rarely saw him last year, so he may take a year to get used to the speed and press in the SEC. Loved what Quinn said about improving and his struggles in transitioning. Learning that he can't do the same things in college as he did in high school. Always a learning curb. The great players just limit the time it takes. (I.e LF first half of season vs second half)
If this offense can get some sort of balance to it, it'll be deadly. Not saying they can duplicate a 2013, but it becomes almost impossible to stop a mobile QB, the best backfield and the country, AND a great set of WRs. The offense will start to look like OSU, minus a 250lb QB that trucks people.
Ramble ramble.
I'm curious about Chark though, obviously nothing but high praise from him so far, but I rarely saw him last year, so he may take a year to get used to the speed and press in the SEC. Loved what Quinn said about improving and his struggles in transitioning. Learning that he can't do the same things in college as he did in high school. Always a learning curb. The great players just limit the time it takes. (I.e LF first half of season vs second half)
If this offense can get some sort of balance to it, it'll be deadly. Not saying they can duplicate a 2013, but it becomes almost impossible to stop a mobile QB, the best backfield and the country, AND a great set of WRs. The offense will start to look like OSU, minus a 250lb QB that trucks people.
Ramble ramble.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 10:08 am to LSU_Saints_Hornets
my bad, stopped reading
This post was edited on 4/22/15 at 10:10 am
Posted on 4/22/15 at 10:11 am to GFunk
Your two replies are spot on IMO.
A good example of this would be the quick slants to Dural at the end of the first half vs AL and the first half vs A&M.
Both times, Dural was jammed in press coverage, and Jennings showed his inability to do anything remotely resembling making a personal decision not already pre-programmed. As you can tell by my description, I put that more on Jennings, b/c Dural's struggles in press coverage were a known factor. You could say Jennings inability to make a decision were also a known factor, so you could put it on the play call, too.
But, at some point the staff has to trust the QB position to make a decision. We went the entire season last year w/o running a true read option until second half of ND game, and don't you know, first time we let him make decision, ball ends up 10 feet in the air into ND's hands.
Back on topic, I'm not sure Quinn will ever get to the point he is not overmatched. Pulling for him though.
A good example of this would be the quick slants to Dural at the end of the first half vs AL and the first half vs A&M.
Both times, Dural was jammed in press coverage, and Jennings showed his inability to do anything remotely resembling making a personal decision not already pre-programmed. As you can tell by my description, I put that more on Jennings, b/c Dural's struggles in press coverage were a known factor. You could say Jennings inability to make a decision were also a known factor, so you could put it on the play call, too.
But, at some point the staff has to trust the QB position to make a decision. We went the entire season last year w/o running a true read option until second half of ND game, and don't you know, first time we let him make decision, ball ends up 10 feet in the air into ND's hands.
Back on topic, I'm not sure Quinn will ever get to the point he is not overmatched. Pulling for him though.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 10:18 am to wahoocs
I agree on the Quinn assessment you have. He will always have to work harder than everyone else. But honestly, I would rather have a B player who gives everything he has and the right attitude than an A player who isn't always a team player or giving 100%.
I think blame falls on both QBs and WRs in some areas. I listened awhile back to CCC talk about the WRs not necessarily helping out the QBs. When I first saw it, I was thought it was complete crap, but sometimes they just didn't give the QB the help they needed. That being said, when they did, AJ typically threw it 5 yards away from them. Oh well.
I think blame falls on both QBs and WRs in some areas. I listened awhile back to CCC talk about the WRs not necessarily helping out the QBs. When I first saw it, I was thought it was complete crap, but sometimes they just didn't give the QB the help they needed. That being said, when they did, AJ typically threw it 5 yards away from them. Oh well.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 10:18 am to wahoocs
I like him in the slot. Like mentioned above there should be no limit on lining up skill players, just put them in a position to succeed.
Also like him out wide with Diarse/Quinn in the slot. Those guys compliment the Dural, Chi, and Chark types on the perimeter
Also like him out wide with Diarse/Quinn in the slot. Those guys compliment the Dural, Chi, and Chark types on the perimeter
Posted on 4/22/15 at 10:34 am to SammyTiger
Hiring Ball has already shown benefits in terms of technique and fundamentals
Posted on 4/22/15 at 10:43 am to GFunk
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But if you can't get off the LOS in the SEC, you aren't going to be able to do much.
I agree and I think that is one of the main reasons Diarse has just as much potential to be a playmaker in this offense.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 10:45 am to LSU_Saints_Hornets
Yeah it seems like every 5 star that isn't starting right away has "maturity issues".
Posted on 4/22/15 at 11:12 am to USARMYDasher
Has Quinn lost his Stone Hands yet?
Posted on 4/22/15 at 11:22 am to CarRamrod
If we gave up on players that dropped a lot of passes in one season, then Odell Beckham would be some scrub we never heard of since 2012
Posted on 4/22/15 at 11:24 am to LSU_Saints_Hornets
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He had maturity issues
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one thing your relative level of maturity can't make up for is how big and strong you are
Maybe I missed something or this was edited before I read it, but I didn't take this as a comment that he was suffering from an immature attitude, but simply not physically mature enough or needing to add some strength to be more effective.
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