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re: I don't like the toss lead
Posted on 8/26/14 at 8:48 am to TigerBlood17
Posted on 8/26/14 at 8:48 am to TigerBlood17
quote:. Just because it's never been run in a game doesn't mean it's not in the playbook. Jefferson was capable of running it but we had just started the toss dive during his career. Mettenberger wasn't athletic enough. Now, we have 2 athletic qb's capable of running it. It's just as simple as reversing out like normal toss ISO, faking the toss, then follow the 2nd back thru the hole
has LSU run any of these? And QB/ draw ISO? How does the QB fake the toss and then run a draw? I'm not sure that exists.
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Posted on 8/26/14 at 8:49 am to dukke v
quote:that was a zone read from the gun.
Didn't Jefferson score on a 75 yard run on that play a few years ago against TENN????
Posted on 8/26/14 at 8:51 am to dukke v
quote:
OK. We need to Fire Miles and put you as HC.... That will fix EVERYTHING....
Says the guy who is wrong about 99% of everything
Posted on 8/26/14 at 8:52 am to TigerBlood17
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I was saying that LSU is copying that play from auburn and other teams are going to start copying that play from auburn too. Other teams might have started it but auburn has made it famous and is the reason that other teams, LSU included, are going to start running it.
You're technically correct, auburn made it famous on a bigger stage. But you're a fool if you don't think coaches on every level around the nation noticed it when Pittsburg and the smaller schools were running it. Any coach will tell you, new wrinkles and plays starts at the lower levels. And when effective there, and the coach moves up or another coach at a higher level school copies it, then another coach copies, etc. It's the way of the world in football.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 8:52 am to CP3LSU25
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Says the guy who is wrong about 99% of everything
Posted on 8/26/14 at 8:53 am to Stingray
quote:
bubble screen
best thing that ever happened to rohan davey and josh reed
Posted on 8/26/14 at 8:54 am to TigerBlood17
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Name one other team, pro or college, that you have seen run it?
Wisconsin, Steelers, Ravens, and Jets for a few.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 8:57 am to therick711
I miss the underneath WR slip screen that we ran under Fisher and Crowton.
That is my favorite play design and pretty low risk
[link=(Dwayne Bowe - Not Your Average Reciever: https://youtu.be/NssIsc4tJw8)]25 second mark[/link]
That is my favorite play design and pretty low risk
[link=(Dwayne Bowe - Not Your Average Reciever: https://youtu.be/NssIsc4tJw8)]25 second mark[/link]
This post was edited on 8/26/14 at 9:04 am
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:02 am to 7thWardTiger
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Sigh. First of all, the two versions that we run is a toss iso(double the 3 tech, center blocks back on nose, fullback leads up on MLB). And a toss power. Both are effective for what they are. They both fit in with our theme perfectly. Big nasty offensive line, a mean hard hitting, wreck less abandon fullback, and a big bruising running back all just inflicting punishment on the defense over the course of 4 quarters. Just like any running play, the opportunity for a big gain is always there, but only when the one on one battle is won. If the center and 2 guards get their block, full back gets his, then it's up to the running back to win his one on one matchup. That's when the play busts for a big gain!
All of that post makes sense, but the debate here is not about the blocking scheme, but about whether to toss the ball or hand it off. The positive is that the running back allegedly gets the ball quicker in his hands to see the hole opening. My opinion is that the running back has to watch the ball in to catch a toss, while on a handoff he can be watching the holes open. The negative of the play is the chance of play action. When backers/safeties see the toss they are a step quicker to the line of scrimmage to stop the run.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:03 am to Choctaw
quote:
Choctaw
Sup.
I"m ready for a fun fall season of debate with my good buddy Choctaw.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:05 am to TigerBlood17
Also, for the record, I love a toss sweep.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:08 am to Prominentwon
quote:
Do you honestly think that anyone related to LSU football cares if you like it or not?
Right on point....very well thought out response....great analysis of the OP's point!
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:09 am to Choupique19
quote:This is my whole point!
All of that post makes sense, but the debate here is not about the blocking scheme, but about whether to toss the ball or hand it off. The positive is that the running back allegedly gets the ball quicker in his hands to see the hole opening. My opinion is that the running back has to watch the ball in to catch a toss, while on a handoff he can be watching the holes open. The negative of the play is the chance of play action. When backers/safeties see the toss they are a step quicker to the line of scrimmage to stop the run.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:11 am to Choupique19
quote:
I"m ready for a fun fall season of debate with my good buddy Choctaw.
Me too..................
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:13 am to dukke v
There are no perfect running plays. Just perfect runners.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:17 am to TigerBlood17
For a guy like LF who has vision, it will be great. Just shut up and enjoy the show.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:18 am to Goldrush25
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Just shut up and enjoy the show.
What is this, Russia?
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:18 am to Choupique19
quote:how is this a negative? Everything that you said in this statement is what makes it a great play to set up play action off of. Not a diss to you or anyone else, but unless you played linebacker or understand the reads the defense makes, you don't really understand how setting up the play action. Most schemes for linebackers are to read their guard to qb to running back. So the more and more that we run this, the more the linebackers are sucked in, the more we can run a play action pass or even a regular toss sweep off the same motion. As the game progresses, fatigue sets in, and it's where you see the difference between well coached kids and not so well coached. The mental discipline to continue to go through your reads gets a lot harder once your winded. Think Oregon. Nearly all of oregon plays in the chip kelly era were identical. Run at a high pace and gained effectiveness once fatigue sets in. My coach always taught us that "your eyes will trick you"
The negative of the play is the chance of play action. When backers/safeties see the toss they are a step quicker to the line of scrimmage to stop the run.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:26 am to 7thWardTiger
quote:Well, if we dont run it in the games then how is it going to keep the defense from immediately reacting to the run? It does us no good if it just sits in the playbook unused.
Just because it's never been run in a game doesn't mean it's not in the playbook.
quote:You admittedly said LSU does not utilize the Play action fake off of this run play.
how is this a negative? Everything that you said in this statement is what makes it a great play to set up play action off of.
This post was edited on 8/26/14 at 9:27 am
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:29 am to Choupique19
quote:That is the companion play to power toss. Similar to 7th Ward's comment, it's meant to cause emol and DBs to freeze on the toss instead of crash. I think we under-utilize the sweep to keep it respected for the power play.
Also, for the record, I love a toss sweep.
Seems to work pretty good, regardless.
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