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re: How valuable are "Instincts" in managing baseball? re: Rhyme's AB

Posted on 6/17/13 at 8:23 am to
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
11036 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 8:23 am to
It was a hit a run.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
67592 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 8:26 am to
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They never said anything about Katz taking off and it didn't look like he had taken off.


I know. I replayed it several times and thought no way katz would have been that close to second if it wasn't then maneiri confirmed it. I like the hit and run call but would have still made the pitcher throw a strike.
Posted by easy money
Member since Feb 2005
14430 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 8:27 am to
The 3rd baseman was already drawn in for the bunt....otherwise at least rhymes would have been safe on the hit and run. Pretty bad luck.

The bottom of our lineup needs help. Too many holes and dead innings because of it. I'm not sure if you can really justify Stevenson being in our lineup. Let eades swing it.....haha. I know he used to drop some bombs in high school.
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
11036 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 8:28 am to
Hell, I actually don't mind that call as much. I thought they were trying to give him a pitch to just swing away and they weren't really doing that. They were allowing him to try and advance the runner by putting him in motion and allow him to attempt to get a hit when the count was in his favor. It did take a miraculous turn by the second baseman to turn the DP.
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
45069 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 8:30 am to
No it didn't. That was a routine dp ball at the chest of the 3B...while he was in for the bunt.
Posted by MontanaTiger
Montana
Member since Oct 2008
3789 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 8:31 am to
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Or at least wait for the guy to throw a strike


This
Posted by AtlantaLSUfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2009
23183 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 8:31 am to
CPM was out-coached in this game. UCLA had a game plan, we did exactly what they expected us to do.

Their game plan worked on our batters - we are always aggressive at the plate and tend to pop up. Knowing that, they threw high fast ball after high fast ball and we never adjusted. We seemed to swing at nearly every one.

Their game plan worked on our fielding - the pressure they placed caused a couple errors.

Their game plan work on our pitching - they know Nola throws a first pitch strike so they allowed their lead-off man to swing at it and got a few of lead-off hits.

They're a dangerous team with lead-off man onboard and we allowed it nearly every inning.
This post was edited on 6/17/13 at 8:33 am
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
45069 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 8:33 am to
When have you ever heard of someone leaving the ball up as a strategy? Orel said that during the game and it makes no sense.
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
11036 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 8:36 am to
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That was a routine dp ball at the chest of the 3B

Try reading. I said the 2B. Did you not see him come across the base in the nick of time to narrowly avoid getting taken out by Katz and then throw off balance across his body and still make an accurate throw to first which beat Rhymes by about half a step? That has absolutely nothing to do with the 3B.
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
45069 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 8:37 am to
I read it. And it was still routine. The 2B didn't make some miraculous play. Don't make it out to be something it wasnt
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
11036 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 8:37 am to
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When have you ever heard of someone leaving the ball up as a strategy?

Ah, this about sums up your knowledge of the game. Plutko's game plan was most DEFINITELY to throw high fastballs. He has done it all year long. Why don't you go read PM's post game quotes. Although, we've already established that you don't like to read much.
Posted by ROUSTER
Member since Sep 2003
6886 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 8:37 am to
It's comical to see the 2nd guessing that goes on here. LSU has one of the best records in the history of the program but PM can't coach.

PM took a chance with a Sr. batting over .300.
RR hits that ball anywhere other than where he did and MK should be sitting on 2nd at the least.

UCLA did the little things, LSU did not.
Still it took Bregman booting an easy out (for a college SS) for UCLA to get the win. The error by Ross was a much tougher play.

It's baseball. Now LSU just has to suck it up and rebound.
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
45069 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 8:41 am to
Oooooo knowledge of the game jab huh? How well did it work on Katz homer? Or Ross hit? Or lairds double?
Posted by Tigerwagon
Member since Jun 2013
23 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 8:45 am to
Glad I was not the only one who saw that! How does he start missing blocks. Turning his head. WTH!
And in that situation you take or BUNT!!!!! How many times will teams use the bunt on us and be successful. He has stated he will not bunt 345 hitters. Well good job CPM. You hit into a double play because you can not do what everyone else can do. BUNT!!!!!
How do you hit a batter with 2 strikes and 1 ball. Why oh why are you throwing inside that much with 2 strikes. I am losing my mind.
Posted by Imtheman2
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2011
149 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 8:50 am to
Look guys. You had a man on 1st with no outs. A hitter that had a 2-0 count on him that has been hitting into a lot of double plays. He's not a good bunter. The batter is a great hitter and will make contact with the ball. UCLA MUST throw a strike. The chances are it will be a hit-able fastball. LSU does the hit and run. Rhymes hits a hard one hopper straight at the 3rd baseman who get Katz on a close play and doubles up Rhymes. If I was the Head coach, I would have done the same thing. It was just bad baseball luck. The coach made the CORRECT call. If you follow LSU closely you know it was the best choice to make to try to move the runner.
Posted by AtlantaLSUfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2009
23183 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 9:14 am to
CPM is a fantastic coach. Last night we was out-coached. Try not to go to extremes with your generalizations.
Posted by cajunjj
Madison, AL
Member since May 2008
7427 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 9:16 am to
Come on guy's we are not out of this just yet. Have Faith!
Posted by rcocke2
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2009
1690 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 9:18 am to
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What lost the game was four errors by Ross..


Bull crap. That throw from Ross on the bunt should have been caught by Katz. Katz has got to come off the base to get that ball instead of stretching like he did. Yeah it was a bad throw, but with a team like UCLA, better to keep him at 1st than give him bases on throwing errors. Ross had a tough game, some of his blocks were just bad luck for us.
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
11036 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 9:20 am to
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Oooooo knowledge of the game jab huh? How well did it work on Katz homer? Or Ross hit? Or lairds double?



How did it work on all of our pop ups?

I like how you point out three hits that we got during the game off of the kid. I guess he should have thrown a no hitter if his game plan was really working.

And I guess it wasn't really his game plan since PM said that the team set up a pitching machine to throw them chest high fastballs during practice.

Keep acting like you know what you're talking about though.
Posted by Tigerwagon
Member since Jun 2013
23 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 9:23 am to
Not just a man on first. The tying run on first after they booted a ball and gave us a chance to be in that position. The pitcher was staying away from Rymes because he is dangerous at the plate. At least wait for the strike. Great hitters count but THE TYING RUN IS ON FIRST!!!! GET IT OVER!! Love CPM. Love LES too. But some decisions can be scrutinized.
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