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How valuable are "Instincts" in managing baseball? re: Rhyme's AB

Posted on 6/17/13 at 7:39 am
Posted by Snakebucket
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Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 7:39 am
Seems a lot of managers use "instinctive" thinking when going against the grain on righty/lefty pitching changes, bunting v hitting away to move a man over, playing a shift for a certain hitter, etc.

Does CPM seem to rely on "Gut Feel" or instinct more than others. Sure seems like, given Raph's history with a man on 1st, he takes common sense out of the equation.
Posted by VermilionTiger
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 7:41 am to
2-0 count and he was looking for the pitcher to serve one up for Rhymes

UCLA's coach/UCLA's pitcher has 2 options, serve it up to him, or award him the open base

CPM apparently thought he would serve it up for him I guess

Posted by lsugrad35
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Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 7:45 am to
Raph also doesn't have a sac bunt on the year. But given that stat and the fact that he hits well and the fact that hes a senior leader...you still bunt there. Or at least wait for the guy to throw a strike.
Posted by lsu711
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 7:45 am to
Only a Mainieri coached team can have 2 hits and a walk in an inning and never get a runner to 3rd base.
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 7:47 am to
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UCLA's coach/UCLA's pitcher has 2 options, serve it up to him, or award him the open base

What the hell are you talking about? There wasn't an "open" base.
Posted by barry
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 7:49 am to
The coach should know his guys and when they are having off nights. But instincts are over rated.
Posted by VermilionTiger
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 7:50 am to
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What the hell are you talking about? There wasn't an "open" base.


3rd was open

With 2 outs, you don't think they walk Rhymes on a 3-0 count to face Ibarra?
This post was edited on 6/17/13 at 7:52 am
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 7:52 am to
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3rd was open

There was a runner on first. Therefore, you don't say there was an open base.

quote:

With 2 outs, you don't think they walk Rhymes on a 3-0 count to face Ibarra?

Did you watch the game last night? Rhymes was batting with a man on first and no outs. What in the hell are you talking about?
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 7:54 am to
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Only a Mainieri coached team can have 2 hits and a walk in an inning and never get a runner to 3rd base.
Was this the case all year? (serious question)
Posted by VermilionTiger
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 7:54 am to
frick man.. I just got off of night shift

I've been up for 26 straight, I'll slowly exit the thread.
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 7:58 am to
While I do think CPM should have flashed bunt but taken the 2-0 pitch some blame needs to be on RR. It was a hit and run and he hit it to the worst place possible. He is supposed to hit it in the vacated infielders spot which will NEVER be 3rd base.
Posted by LagdonCG
Member since Jul 2010
998 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 8:09 am to
Baseball is totally "instincts" which comes from knowing your players and knowing (not guessing) what to do...Bertman was the master.

Maineri has no instincts....period!

What lost the game was four errors by Ross...the throwing error, the skip throw to second base and two passed balls that were deemed wild pitches...easy plays for a senior catcher who has suddenly began to turn his head on pitches in the dirt despite
wearing a mask. Ross had an abysmal night.

Best of luck to LSU in the losers bracket.

Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 8:10 am to
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It was a hit and run and he hit it to the worst place possible.

That was definitely not a hit and run in the ninth inning.
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Member since Oct 2010
67590 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 8:11 am to
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What lost the game was four errors by Ross...the throwing error, the skip throw to second base and two passed balls that were deemed wild pitches...easy plays for a senior catcher who has suddenly began to turn his head on pitches in the dirt despite wearing a mask. Ross had an abysmal night.


Neither of which turned into a run
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 8:11 am to
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two passed balls that were deemed wild pitches


You're calling nasty curveballs that bounced in the dirt that Ross couldn't keep in front of him passed balls? Wow there are some complete fricking idiots on here today.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 8:13 am to
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That was definitely not a hit and run in the ninth inning.


Maneiri said it was and why do you think Katz was 10 feet away from second on a hard hit grounder? Blazing speed?
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
13586 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 8:15 am to
quote:

While I do think CPM should have flashed bunt but taken the 2-0 pitch some blame needs to be on RR. It was a hit and run and he hit it to the worst place possible. He is supposed to hit it in the vacated infielders spot which will NEVER be 3rd base.


Thank you, although not sure about the hit and run. There's no reason to roll over on a ball and pull an outside fastball. That in itself tells you Rhymes was trying to do too much instead of driving the ball the other way. If he goes with the pitch, we prlly have runners on 1st and 3rd with nobody out.
This post was edited on 6/17/13 at 8:17 am
Posted by iknowmorethanyou
Paydirt
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 8:16 am to
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LagdonCG


Just pathetic
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
11036 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 8:22 am to
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Maneiri said it was

You're right. It was a hit and run. They never said anything about Katz taking off and it didn't look like he had taken off.
Posted by easy money
Member since Feb 2005
14420 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 8:22 am to
The pitch appeared to be low and inside. Katz the at bat before rolled over an outside pitch.

Rhymes was not ready to hit that pitch.....can anyone confirm the hit and run?
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