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re: Hanagriff just went in LSU's non-conference bball schedule

Posted on 8/24/16 at 2:33 pm to
Posted by SouthOfSouth
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 8/24/16 at 2:33 pm to
Honestly, this is the type of schedule I've been hoping for over the past few years. I think it is probably the most strategic schedule we've seen since Jones has been here.

While I totally understand why someone would be upset about not playing a "name brand" team, this schedule isnt nearly as bad as it has been.

Here's the KenPom ratings of these teams from last year:

Wofford 185
Southern Miss 307
North Florida 189
Houston 64
NC Central 196
Texas Southern 173
Charleston 120
Wake Forest 125
Texas Tech 52


This doesnt include the Atlantis Tournament that will get us some top 100 games....

Last year we had 5 of our 13 OOC games against 200+ KenPom teams... This year there will only be 1 of 13.

Beating teams that are in the 100's RPI (using KenPom as a source due to ease) actually helps a team out. The big problem with our schedule the last few years is we would play some very good teams (and inevitably lose) and would play some seriously awful teams...

This schedule will honestly keep LSU in the picture. They will obviously need to perform in SEC play, but I personally would rather this schedule than the one we had last year.

I fully expect people to jump down my throat for this post, but after a little research past the names, I was very pleased with the schedule. It gives LSU the best chance at postseason play and that is what's important to me.

These teams will play hard and will test LSU. This is college basketball and anyone can win on any given day. There is much more parity than most other sports.
This post was edited on 8/24/16 at 2:34 pm
Posted by Kracka
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2004
40775 posts
Posted on 8/24/16 at 2:38 pm to
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Thanks daddy dale and the gang


You should thank Roy Williams.....this is his fault according to most irrational people on this website.
Posted by phantom70815
Walker, U.S.A
Member since Jan 2010
1389 posts
Posted on 8/24/16 at 2:48 pm to
Johnny has finally sealed his own fate. While the administration may not care much about his record or coaching blunders, they DO care about selling tickets. With this pathetic home OOC schedule, no one will be buying tickets. Empty PMAC=Goodbye Johnny.
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
45044 posts
Posted on 8/24/16 at 2:52 pm to
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this schedule isnt nearly as bad as it has been.


Interesting point that I would disagree with.

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Last year we had 5 of our 13 OOC games against 200+ KenPom teams... This year there will only be 1 of 13.


Correct, now lets look at the other side of the coin. Last season we were slated to go up against 5 teams with better than 120 RPI. This coming season, 2, minus the Atlantis tourney. However, those are undoubtedly going to be losses which leaves us with possible wins against TT and Houston. Not exactly marquee wins to get us into the tourney.

Fine we may play less shitty teams next year but we also are playing fewer RPI 120 and better. This isnt a team that can win the ones they are "supposed" to win and get into the tourney. They will have to have some big wins just to get in, period.

Also, keep in mind we dont have the #1 draft pick anymore, and also have even less big man depth.
Posted by T
Member since Jan 2004
9889 posts
Posted on 8/24/16 at 2:52 pm to
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NC Central 196


Nc central was 296, not 196 and is an absolute killer to any team's strength of schedule. We should never schedule swac or meac teams.
Posted by SouthOfSouth
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2008
43456 posts
Posted on 8/24/16 at 2:53 pm to
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Johnny has finally sealed his own fate. While the administration may not care much about his record or coaching blunders, they DO care about selling tickets. With this pathetic home OOC schedule, no one will be buying tickets. Empty PMAC=Goodbye Johnny.



No one has cared about LSU basketball till SEC play since the Saban era. If you honestly think this schedule will make a significant difference to that, I'd have to disagree. Games have always been pretty lightly attended till January. Going into the SEC with a record that could mean post season play will be important and I think this schedule allows us to be in the picture.
Posted by SouthOfSouth
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2008
43456 posts
Posted on 8/24/16 at 2:55 pm to
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Nc central was 296, not 196 and is an absolute killer to any team's strength of schedule. We should never schedule swac or meac teams.



Thanks for the correction. I agree its a killer. Which is why this schedule with 2 teams sub 200 is much better than last year's with 5 sub 200 teams.
Posted by SouthOfSouth
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2008
43456 posts
Posted on 8/24/16 at 2:56 pm to
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Correct, now lets look at the other side of the coin. Last season we were slated to go up against 5 teams with better than 120 RPI. This coming season, 2, minus the Atlantis tourney. However, those are undoubtedly going to be losses which leaves us with possible wins against TT and Houston. Not exactly marquee wins to get us into the tourney


This argument is so absolutely awful....

On one side of the coin you get mad about not having good teams then you also say, even when we play good teams we will lose so it doesn't matter????

We will play 3 teams likely in top 120 RPI during that tournament to bring our total to the same as last year.....
Posted by Gulf Coast Tiger
Ms Gulf Coast
Member since Jan 2004
18660 posts
Posted on 8/24/16 at 3:00 pm to
Basketball with JJ, I have no faith. If he couldn't do it with last years team he sure ain't going to do it with this years. I certainly hope I'm eating crow at the end of the season
Posted by pellietigersaint
Tiger Stadium
Member since Aug 2005
19043 posts
Posted on 8/24/16 at 3:05 pm to
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There isn't a single OOC home game I want to see


I want to see them all becuase I lover LSU basketball.
You obviously don't give a rats arse so your comment goes without saying and you should have spared us
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
45044 posts
Posted on 8/24/16 at 3:05 pm to
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On one side of the coin you get mad about not having good teams then you also say


Yes teams like Houston last year were good for that team.

But you have to admit, even a blind sunshine pumper like you, that we are out of our league in that tournament (at this current point).

Again none of those games are ones we are supposed to win. The ones on next years schedule wont get it done. JJ will have to not have any bad losses. He has proven before that is a weakness of his.

Yes I can complain about the lack of quality opponents that are reasonably beatable. What we did against OU was phenomenal last year, but that is a performance that will happen 1/10 times.
Posted by SouthOfSouth
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2008
43456 posts
Posted on 8/24/16 at 3:44 pm to
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But you have to admit, even a blind sunshine pumper like you, that we are out of our league in that tournament (at this current point).



I don't consider myself a blind sunshine pumper. I do think we are the second to worst team in that tournament if I had to guess,but we have 5 new players and a few players who could have very imporved game come this season.

I don't think we will make it out of OOC 13-0 or anything, but I dont think you can blame the schedule if this team doesn't make the NCAAT next year.
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
39978 posts
Posted on 8/24/16 at 3:53 pm to
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Wake's RPI was 159 last year. That's not a bad game to have on the schedule at all.


It sure as shite isn't good. Especially if we lose.
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
45044 posts
Posted on 8/24/16 at 3:58 pm to
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but we have 5 new players and a few players who could have very imporved game come this season.


I dont disagree here. From what I have heard I would not expect Elbert to be one of those however.

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I dont think you can blame the schedule if this team doesn't make the NCAAT next year.


I wont. Johnny will be fully to blame for a variety of reasons. That doesnt mean he did himself any favors with this schedule. I know you will agree that we cannot afford any bad losses with this schedule and will need to go 12+ wins in conference.
Posted by SouthOfSouth
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2008
43456 posts
Posted on 8/24/16 at 4:03 pm to
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That doesnt mean he did himself any favors with this schedule. I know you will agree that we cannot afford any bad losses with this schedule and will need to go 12+ wins in conference.


That's likely the case for anyone in the SEC.

I think the fact that you have a lot of teams that will be in the 150 range will be good for RPI. Alot of times those are teams in the top half of their smaller conference.

I wouldn't want to call for a certain amount of wins needed quite yet but time will tell.

I will basically agree that there arent any real exciting matchups, but there will be a ton of really good games in the OOC. If any Tiger fan needs LSU to play a great team to be interested in the game, you will not be satisfied. If you want to see good competitive basketball, this OOC schedule should give us competitive basketball.
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