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re: Guilbeau actually made a good point
Posted on 10/5/10 at 12:33 pm to ffishstik
Posted on 10/5/10 at 12:33 pm to ffishstik
Don't forget, Miles also had Josh Henson shadowing him and trying to keep out of trouble from 05-07. Things got a little worse in 07, as evidenced by the crazy ending of the AU game, but we also had an in-control senior QB, who probably helped cover up those issues, as well. Don't forget who taught Flynn how to play the position, either- Jimbo Fisher. Since both departed, we have Miles and Crowton running amuck.
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Posted on 10/5/10 at 12:34 pm to TigerDat
quote:I refuse to believe this. If he made a decent point, he stole the thought from someone else. GG sucks
Guilbeau actually made a good point
Posted on 10/5/10 at 12:35 pm to Choctaw
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I work with a guy that graduated from Ok State and he said that this wasn't an issue when he was there....not even close.
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Choctaw
Reliable source
Posted on 10/5/10 at 12:37 pm to cggeaxtigers
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Reliable source
I was waiting for this....but its the truth.
BTW admins...can we please get the damn emotes back...i feel like im in timeout.
This post was edited on 10/5/10 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 10/5/10 at 12:38 pm to TigerDat
Finally somebody posts something that makes sense.
That's exactly what is happening. The only thing that's kept the heat off of Crowton is that Miles keeps claiming responsibility for the mistakes. Don't get me wrong Miles is the head coach and taking blame is part of the job, but there are a lot of other coaches on the same pay roll.
That's exactly what is happening. The only thing that's kept the heat off of Crowton is that Miles keeps claiming responsibility for the mistakes. Don't get me wrong Miles is the head coach and taking blame is part of the job, but there are a lot of other coaches on the same pay roll.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 12:46 pm to The312
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These clock problems didn't happen under Fisher.
Really? What about Miles' attempt to expend our last TO after an interception against Tennessee in 05?
Also missed a primo chance to score right before the half in that game(which would have iced the game) but much of that was on JR. I do think Crowton and Miles kind of create the "perfect storm" of clock mismanagement. Gary with his inane attempts to double-cross the defense with personnel changes and Miles getting so engrossed in the play by play he forgets about the clock. The players themselves have to bear some of the fault as they have the ability to a)call timeout is necessary b) call for a spike if necessary. That's why I would add JJ as the third component of the mismanagement team.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 12:55 pm to IpreferDosEquis
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Finally somebody posts something that makes sense.
That's exactly what is happening. The only thing that's kept the heat off of Crowton is that Miles keeps claiming responsibility for the mistakes.
I totally agree. Don't get me wrong, I also agree that Miles is responsible for everything that goes wrong and I can find no way to justify his apparent continued abdication of his responsibilities to Gary Crowton.
I read recently that Miles has once again talked about "simplifying" the offense because it is too complicated for the players. The real problem, however, is that the offense is too complicated for the coaching staff. If football is too complicated for the offensive coordinator and head coach, how can we expect the players to get it?
But I do think that Les is a delegator that lets his coordinators run the show. Whether this is because he trusts them or because he doesn't know enough to make the decisions himself will always be the debate, particularly since Les is not the kind of guy who is going to publicly throw Crowton under the bus. It wouldn't do him any good anyway. As head coach, he is responsible. He's really can't (and won't) fire Crowton mid-season, but he's got to find a replacement for Crowton after this season is over.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 1:07 pm to Patch
He knew that Crowton was a waiting head for this year's excuses.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 1:09 pm to Paulu
If Dinardo had fired Tepper...would Tepper have been seen as a scapegoat? No...because everyone knew that Tepper sucked.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 1:20 pm to Choctaw
I think it is a great point....Crowton sucks and needs to be let go. Should have been fired last year for Offense ranking.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 1:25 pm to Maximus
I really think all of this nonsense would stop, if those attempting to defend Miles would just cease and desist.
Everyone knew Crowton was a serious part of the problem prior to the season.
This does not absolve a man standing there with headphones on the sidelines, holding the QB's arm, from the kind of mistakes that are being made.
Is Crowton going to parasail onto the field and call timeouts?
Does Miles not comprehend the situations?
Of course he doesn't. If he did, they wouldn't occur.
They will continue to occur. Oh, and BTW, this same guy is in charge of gameplanning, evaluation, and development.
Everyone knew Crowton was a serious part of the problem prior to the season.
This does not absolve a man standing there with headphones on the sidelines, holding the QB's arm, from the kind of mistakes that are being made.
Is Crowton going to parasail onto the field and call timeouts?
Does Miles not comprehend the situations?
Of course he doesn't. If he did, they wouldn't occur.
They will continue to occur. Oh, and BTW, this same guy is in charge of gameplanning, evaluation, and development.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 1:30 pm to wahoocs
regardless of what anybody that's defending leslie says, you can't deny that when it comes to situational coaching, Les Miles is horrid.
What's lacking on this team is a coaching leader. You have one on defense, the Chief has been doing this for years and years.
After this season, time to find an OC that's been calling successful plays in the SEC for awhile. I realize it's tough, but we have to find someone.
What's lacking on this team is a coaching leader. You have one on defense, the Chief has been doing this for years and years.
After this season, time to find an OC that's been calling successful plays in the SEC for awhile. I realize it's tough, but we have to find someone.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 1:33 pm to jdrumdog
He has to get along with Les though and fit neatly inside Leslie's toy box of plays and formations.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 1:52 pm to misey94
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Don't forget, Miles also had Josh Henson shadowing him and trying to keep out of trouble from 05-07. Things got a little worse in 07, as evidenced by the crazy ending of the AU game, but we also had an in-control senior QB, who probably helped cover up those issues, as well. Don't forget who taught Flynn how to play the position, either- Jimbo Fisher. Since both departed, we have Miles and Crowton running amuck.
Bo Pilini was the one in CLM's ear during 2 minute drills in 05-07. Go back and watch the tapes. Bo shadows CLM and is screaming without headset what to do.
CLM has said all year we are going to line up and ram it down your throat with a power running game, getting back to the way it was in 05-07. GC's personnel packages and complicated spread schemes have diluted the smash mouth power game that was so successful in 06 & 07. If you listen closely to ALL of the CLM AND Player interviews, they all point to the fact GC was the one who sent JJ and the 2 plays in on 2nd down. He is also the one who called for the personnel change on 3rd, not CLM. You can also conclude CLM's "Trim the fat" quote regarding formations and personnel pkgs. was CLM saying enough is enough.
When you take his comments from this weekend and combine them with the others he has made about the offense, the disconnect is glaring. I keep going back to the Press Box after the 51yd pass to RRandle in Atl. GC was hootin and pointing at something, almost like he was justifying his existence to whoever would listen. As much as it pains me, I would tend to agree with GayBleaux on this one.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 2:44 pm to TigerDat
I love how people forget that we had Josh Henson back then also in charge of Time Management. He left after the 2008 season where these debacles still weren't common place, and things fall to hell.
Unless Les has someone there to hold his hand like Henson did, he's an utter putz. It is not squarely on GC's head.
Unless Les has someone there to hold his hand like Henson did, he's an utter putz. It is not squarely on GC's head.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 2:48 pm to TigerDat
Wrong...we have had penalties waiting on the play to come in since les got here...
Posted on 10/5/10 at 3:02 pm to cigtyme
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Maybe someone should check into him at Oregon
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See if they had clock management Issues
clock management wasn't an issue because Bellotti was there but there was serious confusion on the field (on offense) in Crowton's second year in terms of lining up and what not(didn't have his senior anymore). We are seeing what I saw when he was Oregon (not quite to the extent but mind boggling still).
Crowton's first year at Oregon he had a senior QB and everything looked great, they had just let go Andy Ludwig after two years of pain and confusion, and then year two rolled around and things weren't so rosy anymore. There was problems between him and the qb's and confusion overall(are we seeing a theme in my parantheses points). After his second season (stats look like every other stop after his second year, last two stops he had a senior qb to start with) Bellotti "allows" Crowton to find another job (:IstillcringehearingthenewshewenttoLSU:) and we look great in his first year and set records and get a NC with a senior QB and we all know how the seasons have gone since and now here we are. Btw....Bellotti brings in little known OC Chip Kelly and he turns Dennis Dixon into a Heisman frontrunning contender in one off season. Look what he did with Masoli and now with Darron Thomas. Too much info to point too imo to not believe a problem exists. Miles has his own issues.
This post was edited on 10/5/10 at 3:07 pm
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