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re: Greatest Lavell Edwards BYU line
Posted on 8/15/17 at 3:00 pm to schmoo
Posted on 8/15/17 at 3:00 pm to schmoo
Yes. He gave us the Bible. It is what Christianity is based upon. You can choose to believe what you want but Biblical instruction is what it is. If you think the Bible is a book of suggestions then thats ok with me but Christianity is based on a belief system and Mormonism doesn't fit the guidelines of Christianity. That is just the fact.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 3:16 pm to CougarCommodore
I suggest you take a closer look at Mormonism. It is NOT Christianity. I respect the hell out of Mormons for carrying their faith and generally being hardworking, industrious, polite folks but they aren't Christians.
I've known a great deal of Mormons over the years and they always try to stress the similarities between the LDS faith and Christianity. But dig deeper and start exploring some enormous differences:
1) You, as a person of earth, can one day be a God over your own planet of followers.
2) God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are three separate entities. In short, they don't believe in the Trinity.
3) There is no hell.
4) Proxy baptism after death will get you to Heaven.
5) The whole rest of the ridiculousness that states that Native Americans are descendants of the Middle East and that Jesus had a visitation with American Indians, the translation of the Gold Plates with no witnesses or proof, etc.
I've known a great deal of Mormons over the years and they always try to stress the similarities between the LDS faith and Christianity. But dig deeper and start exploring some enormous differences:
1) You, as a person of earth, can one day be a God over your own planet of followers.
2) God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are three separate entities. In short, they don't believe in the Trinity.
3) There is no hell.
4) Proxy baptism after death will get you to Heaven.
5) The whole rest of the ridiculousness that states that Native Americans are descendants of the Middle East and that Jesus had a visitation with American Indians, the translation of the Gold Plates with no witnesses or proof, etc.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 3:22 pm to ClientNumber9
Maybe you missed the parts of my original post where I said "I'm no longer a practicing Mormon" and "I think most of the teachings that are specific to Mormonism are largely bunk." I don't have a dog in this fight. I consider myself a "Christian" in the sense that I consider the teachings of Jesus to be the best guide I'm aware of regarding how we should conduct ourselves and treat our fellow man. I'll admit that I have a hard time buying into some of the more dogmatic and, for lack of a better term, supernatural parts of the Bible. I just think that if you're going to argue in favor of your religion and against someone else's, it shouldn't be too much to ask that your arguments are actually logically consistent and sound.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 3:31 pm to ClientNumber9
Thank goodness you're here, ClientNumber9. Nothing like the ignorant and incorrect outsider to state in no uncertain terms what I believe.
You're an LSU fan, right? I guess I should be calling you a "corndog" just because that's what the 'Bama fans do, right?
You're an LSU fan, right? I guess I should be calling you a "corndog" just because that's what the 'Bama fans do, right?
This post was edited on 8/15/17 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 8/15/17 at 3:39 pm to Hoosier BYU Fan
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Thank goodness you're here, ClientNumber9
I'm happy to do it, sir.
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Nothing like the ignorant and incorrect outsider to state in no uncertain terms what I believe.
If what I've said is incorrect, feel free to refute them. I'll be more than happy to bust out the book of Nephi and demonstrate in detail the enormous and irreconcilable differences between Christianity and Mormonism.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 3:52 pm to ClientNumber9
You couldn't pay me to have any urge to argue over Mormonism and Chrisitianity
Posted on 8/15/17 at 4:04 pm to CougarCommodore
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Here's a clue: IT'S NOT THE WHOLE DAMN BIBLE. The Bible as such didn't even exist until well after John's life, and scholars are unanimous that several books of the Bible were written well after Revelation. Not to even mention that the number of books that are in the Bible depends on which branch of Catholicism/Orthodoxy/Protestantism you believe in (ranging anywhere from 66 to 80+).
this is absolutely correct and a FACT that, it appears, critics of denominations other than one's own don't bother to research before "knocking" others. it is called ignorance.
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I just figured that when I logged on I would find a football forum rather than a Sunday School class. Y'all want to ask any questions about BYU, make any outlandish game predictions or talk smack, I'm open to just about anything. But I would prefer to stick to football when it comes to discussions about BYU.
amen brother.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 4:17 pm to LSU GrandDad
Fella, you can believe what you want but if it is the Bible in any book then what is your point? In your mind do some some books carry more weight than others? Just because a statement is in the Bible in a few places does not diminish its' importance.
I personally don't care what you believe but Mormonism is not Christianity no matter what you or anybody else wants to believe. Jesus Christ didn't need Joseph Smith to come along 1800 years after his crucifiction to clarify things for him. Joseph Smith declares himself a prophet and wrote a book called the Book of Mormon. They use this book as a guide for their religion. It's funny how quick some of you are to embrace a book written by a self-proclaimed prophet while discounting what is clear in the Bible. Then the Mormons want to act as if they embrace the Bible and tell Christians where they are right and Christians are wrong. They are not Christians and the Bible is not nonsense.
I personally don't care what you believe but Mormonism is not Christianity no matter what you or anybody else wants to believe. Jesus Christ didn't need Joseph Smith to come along 1800 years after his crucifiction to clarify things for him. Joseph Smith declares himself a prophet and wrote a book called the Book of Mormon. They use this book as a guide for their religion. It's funny how quick some of you are to embrace a book written by a self-proclaimed prophet while discounting what is clear in the Bible. Then the Mormons want to act as if they embrace the Bible and tell Christians where they are right and Christians are wrong. They are not Christians and the Bible is not nonsense.
This post was edited on 8/15/17 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 8/15/17 at 4:22 pm to STRIPES
Bruh nobody gives a frick. Take that shite somewhere else.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 4:25 pm to LSU GrandDad
Also, regardless of which Bible you subscribe to, I know one book which is in NONE of them.
It is the Book of Mormon.
Once again, a Mormon is willing to refute the Bible to ellevate his religion which is based on NON BIBLICAL DOCTRINE. Then they will say they are Christians. That my friend is impossible.
It is the Book of Mormon.
Once again, a Mormon is willing to refute the Bible to ellevate his religion which is based on NON BIBLICAL DOCTRINE. Then they will say they are Christians. That my friend is impossible.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 4:25 pm to RichardParker
If you dont care then you leave.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 4:31 pm to STRIPES
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Here is what the Bible says about adding or taking away from the Bible:
Soooo... king James shouldn't have edited the bible? You'd think that he would have edited that out or maybe he added it for his version so that it couldn't be edited any more than he saw fit?
But I digress.
This post was edited on 8/15/17 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 8/15/17 at 4:42 pm to TriDitty
I just thought it was a clever line
I didn't t want to open a can of theology.....hey look
think i saw a scientologist over there....go chase Tom down.
I didn't t want to open a can of theology.....hey look
think i saw a scientologist over there....go chase Tom down.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 5:04 pm to STRIPES
So anything written after Deut. is false?
Posted on 8/15/17 at 5:13 pm to Clark W Griswold
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You can't read Galatians, then believe anything Jospeh Smith says. You can believe both. Sorry. Mormons are not Christians.
and here we go...
Posted on 8/15/17 at 5:17 pm to Tmcgin
I guess that I was just being the devil's advocate on that one.
My bad.
My bad.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 6:03 pm to ClientNumber9
If you truly care to know our response to the adding to the Bible issue (which I suspect you don't care to) you can see it here.
LINK
In response to your list of things I supposedly believe as a Mormon or member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints, here they are....
1) we do believethat God truly made us in his image and that like any parent he wants for us the best and that we can progress to be like our father.
2) We believe that God the Father, his son Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost are 3 entities that make up the Godhead not one entity in 3 forms
3) Don't know where you got this one. Of course we believe in a "hell". Many times you'll hear Mormons refer to it as outer darkness.
4) we do believe in what Paul preached and supported the practice of baptism for the dead in I Corinthians 15:29, "Otherwise, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why then are they baptized for them?"
5) it does seem silly that a loving God would share his gospel with his people on the the other side of the world. And to the witnesses, there were 11 that wrote of their witness to the Book of Mormon at the time it was translated (there were more but those 11 wrote of their accounts and you can easily find them)
Do I care if you believe what I believe? No. I love having theological discussions with friends of different faiths.
What I dislike is people telling me what I personally believe based off of their interpretation of something they read.
I'm always shocked by those claiming to be Christian who are so quick to attack others in very un-Jesus like ways.
Again, if you care to read what we as mormons truly believe about Jesus and living a Christ centered life, here is a link. But I suspect you'll not care to hear it from an actual Mormon.
LINK
BYU in an upset, 17-14. And religion will have nothing to do with any of it.
Cheers
LINK
In response to your list of things I supposedly believe as a Mormon or member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints, here they are....
1) we do believethat God truly made us in his image and that like any parent he wants for us the best and that we can progress to be like our father.
2) We believe that God the Father, his son Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost are 3 entities that make up the Godhead not one entity in 3 forms
3) Don't know where you got this one. Of course we believe in a "hell". Many times you'll hear Mormons refer to it as outer darkness.
4) we do believe in what Paul preached and supported the practice of baptism for the dead in I Corinthians 15:29, "Otherwise, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why then are they baptized for them?"
5) it does seem silly that a loving God would share his gospel with his people on the the other side of the world. And to the witnesses, there were 11 that wrote of their witness to the Book of Mormon at the time it was translated (there were more but those 11 wrote of their accounts and you can easily find them)
Do I care if you believe what I believe? No. I love having theological discussions with friends of different faiths.
What I dislike is people telling me what I personally believe based off of their interpretation of something they read.
I'm always shocked by those claiming to be Christian who are so quick to attack others in very un-Jesus like ways.
Again, if you care to read what we as mormons truly believe about Jesus and living a Christ centered life, here is a link. But I suspect you'll not care to hear it from an actual Mormon.
LINK
BYU in an upset, 17-14. And religion will have nothing to do with any of it.
Cheers
Posted on 8/15/17 at 6:15 pm to Trent S
I really enjoyed the Broadway musical version. It was great!
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Posted on 8/15/17 at 6:15 pm to STRIPES
I'm not sure how I can make it any clearer that I'm not arguing in favor of Mormonism because I'M NOT A BELIEVING MORMON. I'm simply pointing out that your arguments against Mormonism on the basis of Revelation are illogical nonsense. Furthermore, I'm not sure why you felt the need to bring them up given that, as far as I can tell, none of the BYU fans that stopped by seemed eager to get in a debate about religion.
Can we get back to football now please?
Can we get back to football now please?
Posted on 8/15/17 at 6:30 pm to CougarCommodore
Mormons are legit retards. No functional human could possibly believe any of that bullshite without being severely mentally ill. Anywho, LSU 35-10.
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