re: Good coaches? Good athletes?

If they were able to get drafted out of high school, I doubt LSU would be as talented as they are today.

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Or I guess you are ok with having a 10 win season while playing below expectations and ability as opposed to winning titles?

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Bama has better players than lsu as evidenced by their consistent #1 classes. They also play in the same division.
Some seem to conveniently forget that bama's players are more highly rated then lsu. But apparently Saban doesn't win with talent. That's just miles.

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.......IMO I think he's just benefitting from having great athletes

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So does every CFB coach who wins alot. Chip Kelly, Nick Saban, and Urban Meyer aren't taking 2* athletes and winning alot of games with them. They are benefitting from having great talent.

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It appears that the players seems to go through a regression the longer they stay at LSU. From the quarterback position to even the coveted DL position and everything in between it just seems as though the players are hitting their peaks early

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J. Russell - 2 years under Miles and better when he left
M. Flynn - 3 years under Miles and better when he left
R. Perilloux and Andrew Hatch - careers too short to judge
J. Lee - 5 years under Miles and head and shoulders better when he left
J. Jefferson - hit his peak early on and plateau'd.
Z. Mettenberger - too early to tell, but promising since we did see him improve over the year.

So help me understand where we regressed?

As far as DL, it would be a shorter list of those who regressed at LSU than those that got better, but honestly, I can't think of a single DL player that got worse that actually got playing time.

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I know some will quickly point out that Les has guided us to two NC games, but talent wise who had better talent than LSU?

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2007 - Noone was better. Some were equal probably. None were better and we won the title.

2011 - Alabama was more talented. They had a better OL, WR group, and QB. The defenses were a wash. We dominated everyone else and split the season with Alabama.

That's the two NC seasons, if we ran down the list of all seasons, 2005 - Katrina, 2006 - Auburn game refs, 2008 - alot of teams, 2009 - alot of teams, 2010 - a handful of teams, 2012 - Bama at the start of the season, by the end probably a few teams after all the injuries, suspensions, etc.

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When A&M's OC left the school their head coach Sumlin was forced to call the plays vs Oklahoma and they still put up 40. You constantly see Nick grilling his defensive players, Spurrier is always talking to his quarterbacks about they see. I know Mett has requested having his isolation booth, but what good is it if he's not being coached up rather than left alone?

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Saban and Sumlin aren't over there talking to their QBs either. Spurrier does b/c he was a QB. Miles is on camera coaching up his OL and RB when they miss blocks because that's what he was. The OL doesn't get the airtime that the QB position does and Saban gets his own airplay because people like seeing him go nuts.



Bottom line is good talent and good coaching have to be in play for a program to be able to sustain success the way LSU does. Miles has made mistakes,he will make more. So will Saban and every other HC in CFB. Hell in Bama's last 4 games they had two completely botched coaching decisions that could've cost them the NC. 1st and goal in aTm redzone with Lacy and Yeldon running like beasts and they throw every down and McCarron gets picked and aTm closes out the game. At the end of the first half in the SECCG, Bama is driving and should've at least gotten a FG attempt and instead go into the lockerroom with no points and timeouts left in their pocket. If the game was 30 seconds longer or UGA doesn't do the same dumb thing at the end of the game, it may have been UGA holding up the crystal this year. It happens. Players make mistakes, coaches make mistakes, but every year we have a legitimate shot at a NC and that's all you can ask for from a CFB program these days. Are you set up to have a chance to win it all? Only about 5-10 teams can say yes year in and year out and LSU is one of them.

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Lee actually made a team.

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making it through camp before getting cut is not "making a team".

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no shite?

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Miles creation is our offense.

No shite?

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Give Mett time. Early in the season he was getting his feet wet in d-1 cfb (due to terrible qb development by our staff).

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I get so sick of hearing "give Mett time, he's young, he's a first year starter." Great players can produce immediately. Johnny Football, AJ McCarron (from 2 years ago, when he won the NC his first year starting, etc.). True, the coaching isn't helping, but if Mett had "it", we'd have already seen it.

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J. Russell - 2 years under Miles and better when he left M. Flynn - 3 years under Miles and better when he left R. Perilloux and Andrew Hatch - careers too short to judge J. Lee - 5 years under Miles and head and shoulders better when he left J. Jefferson - hit his peak early on and plateau'd. Z. Mettenberger - too early to tell, but promising since we did see him improve over the year.

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Russell was talented......how many years did Flynn start?........how many starts did RP and Hatch have combined besides RP playing the seccg?.......Lee didn't improve until after he Left LSU........well you said JJ hit his peak early proving my point (since he was MVP of bowl game his freshman year), tried out for Tampa impressed the staff enough to be given a contract (even with media blitz surrounding them signing him, yet was cut immediately following a lawsuit being filed.

Saban and Symlin arent over there talking to their qbs either......umm i didnt say they were, but if you'd watched the aTm Okla game you wouldn't have even mentioned Sumlin

Miles is on camera coaching his qb and rb when they miss a block because that's what he was.......................
which game was this, considering nearly every time a rb comes out they immediately go to Wilson (asst coach)

Which linemen regressed while at LSU?.........................Really you think guys like jingo and black were considered high high draft prospects based on how their final years at LSU went?


So does every CFB coach who wins a lot. Chip Kelly, Nick Saban, and Urban Meyer aren't taking 2* athletes and winning a lot of games with them. They are benefitting from having great talent................................................. If any three of those coaches you mentioned we're coaching LSU do you think LSU would have a worse, same or better record than Miles's reign?


I'll say really there's only about 6 teams that can REALLY be set up for a chance to win it all, LSU is one of them true, but why haven't they at least since 2007 under Miles? Some still suggests that he won it with several of Sanan recruits hmmm.

Good talent can get you many wins, but good coaching along with that talent will get you a championship. Lsu's talent beat Bama last November, but Bama's coaching beat LSU two months later.

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karralum

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Completely agree......AND will designate us both as "negitigers"!!

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Since everyone can agree that LSU and Bama probably has the best talent in CFB,

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The positigers will reply that LSU doesn't have the talent everyone else says we have and the talent disparity isn't as wide as everyone thinks...that seems pretty negative too me