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re: Getting What You Need
Posted on 10/7/10 at 10:53 am to Rohan2Reed
Posted on 10/7/10 at 10:53 am to Rohan2Reed
quote:
Miami
won NC under Larry Coker in 2001 season
fired Coker in 2006 and hired Shannon
still haven't won a conference title since 2003
Nebraska
made it to NC game under Frank Solich in 2001
fired Solich in 2003 and hired Callahan then Pelini
still haven't won a conference title since 2001
Notre Dame
i think this is pretty self-explanatory
to sum up my point: be careful what you wish for
If you had read my posts, you would see that I cautioned if LSU keeps tumbling downhill, our built in recruiting base could tail off.
As of right now, we are still in pretty great shape.
LSU is the only powerhouse in our state(unlike Miami).
it isnt in bum frick egypt(like Nebraska)
and the admission standards aren't very high(like Notre Dame).
But if you want to compare these, you have to look at these coaches records before they left or were fired.
Solich rode Osborne's wave for a few years, got to another nation title game and then went 7-7 the next year. Red flag? I'd say so.
Larry Coker went from 3 double digit win seasons, to 9-3 twice, and 7-6 his last year, to get blwon the frick out in the Peach Bowl vs LSU.
As far as Notre Dame, im not sure which coach you are talking about. It's been a long while since they have been relevant.
Now I ask, were these programs starting downhill before the coaches were fired, or after?
Was Randy Shannon a bad hire? Maybe. But so was Coker.
Was Callahan a bad hire? Yes. But Solich prob was too
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Posted on 10/7/10 at 10:55 am to Lester Earl
Not too mention, Nebraska seems to have gotten it right this time. I bet if you ask their fans to day if they still regret firing Callahan, they'd say no.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 11:05 am to AlexLSU
I liked the article, he made valid points
Miles is one QB away from looking like a genius
Miles is one QB away from looking like a genius
Posted on 10/7/10 at 11:05 am to josh336
Lester has been spot on in this thread
Posted on 10/7/10 at 11:07 am to Icansee4miles
Actually, RP had more than 3-4 chances. I believe he failed 3 drug tests. Crackhead.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 11:08 am to Lester Earl
quote:
Lester Earl
you have owned this thread...congrats
quote:
LSU is the only powerhouse in our state(unlike Miami).
quote:
it isnt in bum frick egypt(like Nebraska)
quote:
and the admission standards aren't very high(like Notre Dame).
quote:
But if you want to compare these, you have to look at these coaches records before they left or were fired.
Solich rode Osborne's wave for a few years, got to another nation title game and then went 7-7 the next year. Red flag? I'd say so.
Larry Coker went from 3 double digit win seasons, to 9-3 twice, and 7-6 his last year, to get blwon the frick out in the Peach Bowl vs LSU.
As far as Notre Dame, im not sure which coach you are talking about. It's been a long while since they have been relevant.
Now I ask, were these programs starting downhill before the coaches were fired, or after?
Was Randy Shannon a bad hire? Maybe. But so was Coker.
Was Callahan a bad hire? Yes. But Solich prob was too
great points....and look where they are now...
Solich....Ohio...hasnt done anything
Coker....UTSA....new program
Callahan....who knows...who cares...
they all failed...fans knew they were gonna fail and after they left they havent done anything...so really their fanbases were right...
now i wouldnt fire miles now but I definately wouldnt renew his contract until 8 games into next season...which i think is the last year on his deal...
Posted on 10/7/10 at 11:11 am to Chris Warner
That has to be the best article I've ever read on here!! great stuff!
Posted on 10/7/10 at 11:22 am to Chris Warner
Wow, Warner, I didn't think you could possibly eclipse your sycophantic drivel of last week, but you have managed to do just that. You are the undisputed master of prolix inanity and hyperbolic apology.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 11:24 am to TigerFan55555
What's funny about a lot of this Chris Warner stuff and some of the sunshine pumpers is that somehow they envision that million of people who watch CFB religiously and the analysts who follow and track this stuff on a daily basis are all wrong and Les Miles, alone in his bunker, is magically correct. 
Posted on 10/7/10 at 11:36 am to Tiger_n_ATL
Oh give me a break. Somehow in this story, the fans are the villain & poor ole' Les is just one misunderstood fella.
I thought I had lost all respect for Warner after the Finebaum incident; this takes it to a new low.
Tell me this, Chris, what in the world does Les Miles actually DO on the sideline for the entire game? And why, if he isn't calling plays, can't he somehow do the simple task of watching the clock!?!? Who is in charge?
Answer those questions and then come write another puff piece about how LSU fans don't know what's good for them.
I thought I had lost all respect for Warner after the Finebaum incident; this takes it to a new low.
Tell me this, Chris, what in the world does Les Miles actually DO on the sideline for the entire game? And why, if he isn't calling plays, can't he somehow do the simple task of watching the clock!?!? Who is in charge?
Answer those questions and then come write another puff piece about how LSU fans don't know what's good for them.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 11:45 am to Lester Earl
quote:well said...
Lester Earl
Posted on 10/7/10 at 11:49 am to LSUROCKS52
quote:So, we could be 8-4 or 9-3 with Les Miles, or we could be 7-5 or 8-4 with a new head coach minus all the idiocy and embarrassment that Les brings to the program....what's the downside again?
I love how people think what happened to nebraska, miami, and notre dame (as was pointed out earlier in the thread) could not happen at LSU. why would we be immune to that? built in recruiting you say? those 3 have it as well. they are also still more of a premier HC gig than LSU.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 12:04 pm to TheDoc
Why doesn't Chris Warner post to defend his positions? Perhaps, because he can't defend them? It's easy to write a horrible article, and then run away with your tail between, not being held accountable. Chris Warner is a Coward.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 12:11 pm to Chris Warner
Nice post Chris. There are plenty of positives about Les' tenure. Here's hoping for many more.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 12:26 pm to Lester Earl
To those who want Miles gone and don't see an O coordinator change as a viable solution:
1) You may know Xs and Os, but you are not living in reality...no body is going to approve a buyout of Miles when the State is running at such a deficit (especially in education)
2) Replacing Crowton gives LSU a chance to preserve the stability of the program while fixing most problems with the current team
3) Ws may not be all that matter, but they matter the most....and to fire Miles in the midst of his winning ways (even taking into account his clock issues) will not send a good message to the field of potential hires. It will hinder the hiring process, for sure.
4) Miles fixed the defense with one good hire. It begs to reason he could potentially do the same to the offense and that would be a logical next step. I would take those odds over the odds that Joe Alleva can definitely fire Miles and hire a "Saban-like" proven winner, a definite upgrade from Miles, a "sure thing".
5) Would someone who disagrees with the above please give me your short list of potential hires, currently unemployed or unhappy in their current position, who could come in and get 10 wins or better next year, guaranteed....
1) You may know Xs and Os, but you are not living in reality...no body is going to approve a buyout of Miles when the State is running at such a deficit (especially in education)
2) Replacing Crowton gives LSU a chance to preserve the stability of the program while fixing most problems with the current team
3) Ws may not be all that matter, but they matter the most....and to fire Miles in the midst of his winning ways (even taking into account his clock issues) will not send a good message to the field of potential hires. It will hinder the hiring process, for sure.
4) Miles fixed the defense with one good hire. It begs to reason he could potentially do the same to the offense and that would be a logical next step. I would take those odds over the odds that Joe Alleva can definitely fire Miles and hire a "Saban-like" proven winner, a definite upgrade from Miles, a "sure thing".
5) Would someone who disagrees with the above please give me your short list of potential hires, currently unemployed or unhappy in their current position, who could come in and get 10 wins or better next year, guaranteed....
Posted on 10/7/10 at 1:00 pm to Chris Warner
Firing Crowton will not cure the offense, because:
(1) He was the OC in 2007, and the offense was great during that year. The difference is we had a capable QB then. No capable QB in the last 3 years is the problem, not the OC. You may want to blame Crowton for not "developing" the QBs, but the QBs may have already hit their respective ceilings. That's a recruiting problem.
(2) Miles placing all blame on Crowton for not calling two plays is like blaming your wife for not taking out the trash before the trash truck arrives. If you sit there and don't do anything about it, you're just as guilty. Miles heard through his headset that one play was called. And he didn't do a damn thing about it. That Miles acted "surprised" after the game that only one play was called is bullshite--he heard it when it happened and did nothing to correct it. Any competent HC would have intervened. Miles simply didn't see a problem with calling only one play, and now he's looking for a scapegoat.
(1) He was the OC in 2007, and the offense was great during that year. The difference is we had a capable QB then. No capable QB in the last 3 years is the problem, not the OC. You may want to blame Crowton for not "developing" the QBs, but the QBs may have already hit their respective ceilings. That's a recruiting problem.
(2) Miles placing all blame on Crowton for not calling two plays is like blaming your wife for not taking out the trash before the trash truck arrives. If you sit there and don't do anything about it, you're just as guilty. Miles heard through his headset that one play was called. And he didn't do a damn thing about it. That Miles acted "surprised" after the game that only one play was called is bullshite--he heard it when it happened and did nothing to correct it. Any competent HC would have intervened. Miles simply didn't see a problem with calling only one play, and now he's looking for a scapegoat.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 1:09 pm to Chris Warner
quote:Ok, does anyone here ACTUALLY believe this?
Les Miles is an offensive coordinator firing away from being one of the nation’s best coaches. He is that close.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 2:51 pm to ZZTIGERS
quote:
Chris Warner is a Coward
Posted on 10/7/10 at 3:03 pm to BoudreauxinGA
quote:the state pays what $300,000 of Less' salary? Ath dept. and even further TAF would probably pay the buyout...
1) You may know Xs and Os, but you are not living in reality...no body is going to approve a buyout of Miles when the State is running at such a deficit (especially in education)
quote:What OC would come in knowing that if they didn't turn it around this year, the HC and probably they themselve would be looking for a job after the season.. IMO it would be a lot easier to bring in a new HC, he knows he would have at least a 3 year window...
Replacing Crowton gives LSU a chance to preserve the stability of the program while fixing most problems with the current team
quote:not near as much as most of you make is sound.. $3 mil a year would make em forget or ignore...
Ws may not be all that matter, but they matter the most....and to fire Miles in the midst of his winning ways (even taking into account his clock issues) will not send a good message to the field of potential hires. It will hinder the hiring process, for sure.
quote:he also screwed it with a bad move...
4) Miles fixed the defense with one good hire
quote:but he didn't when he should have. He had the WR coach resign and the RB coach took a HC position and that was supposed to fix it...
he could potentially do the same to the offense
quote:very few "sure things", but there are some very good coaches that would absolutely do no worse than Less...
I would take those odds over the odds that Joe Alleva can definitely fire Miles and hire a "Saban-like" proven winner, a definite upgrade from Miles, a "sure thing".
quote:what guarantee you have with Less? more clock mis-management? if you want a short list, use the search function.. theres usually a thread a week with peoples "short lists"...
Would someone who disagrees with the above please give me your short list of potential hires, currently unemployed or unhappy in their current position, who could come in and get 10 wins or better next year, guaranteed....
Posted on 10/7/10 at 3:11 pm to ZZTIGERS
quote:
Why doesn't Chris Warner post to defend his positions? Perhaps, because he can't defend them? It's easy to write a horrible article, and then run away with your tail between, not being held accountable. Chris Warner is a Coward
What if he just doesn't give a frick what you think? He only has to be accountable to those who pay his paychecks. He's making money for his opinions whether you agree with him or not. BTW- who the frick do you think you are that he should be "accountable" to? And the only thing Lester Earl has "owned" in this thread is a butthurt attitude and a computer. We all see the problems, we just differ on how to best deal with them. And unless you get the head coaching job...or any job remotely related to LSU football that pays your rent-you are just an opinion on a fan board.
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