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re: Getting What You Need
Posted on 10/7/10 at 1:26 am to Lester Earl
Posted on 10/7/10 at 1:26 am to Lester Earl
I have seen plenty of programs get rid of coaches. Then have to go through several losing seasons trying to find a right hire. I don't want to go through a re-building stage. Fixing key elements (OC) well allow this program to still grow. Wiping it clean will destroy many key elements. Hiring a new coach will mean him bringing his key assistants. A new system could destroy many winning elements already in place.
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Posted on 10/7/10 at 1:33 am to Brett425
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I don't want to go through a re-building stage.
well we've lost 9 games combined the last 2 years. We have the worst offense in the SEC this year. We have no long term QB as of right now. I dont think we would fall much further with a new hire.
it remains to be seen what happens this year, but we started 4-0 and 5-0 respectively the 2 previous years, and we saw how they ended.
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Wiping it clean will destroy many key elements.
like what? What would be your biggest worry?
Recruiting is built in. That is the biggest thing in my eyes.
If you hire a competent coach, you hit the ground running.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 1:36 am to Lester Earl
you don't just replace a guy like John Chavis. he's one of the best in the business. Frank Wilson is also a guy I would NOT want to lose.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 1:41 am to Lester Earl
Recruiting isn't built in. Hiring a new coach almost always affects recruits. Looking at the recruiting classes, we have in place and the 2011 class coming in shows a prominent future for LSU Football. It is easier to fix the problems within than throw out the core (LM) and start over.
The grass isn't always greener on the other side.
The grass isn't always greener on the other side.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 1:45 am to Rohan2Reed
you dont have to replace everyone
Miles held over a few of Saban's coaches.. Jimbo was one, I think Searels was another. There were probably a few more. Moffitt.
I know Saban wasnt fired, but you could still try and keep the important ones.
These guys essentially didnt come to LSU to work under Les Miles. they came because it was LSU.
but if it meant we'd have to lose these guys to fire Miles, I wouldnt have a problem.
Miles held over a few of Saban's coaches.. Jimbo was one, I think Searels was another. There were probably a few more. Moffitt.
I know Saban wasnt fired, but you could still try and keep the important ones.
These guys essentially didnt come to LSU to work under Les Miles. they came because it was LSU.
but if it meant we'd have to lose these guys to fire Miles, I wouldnt have a problem.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 1:46 am to Rohan2Reed
We got Chavis because TN fired their coach and he wanted his dad as his DC. He was there like 20 yrs. It shows what happens when you fire your Head Coach.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 1:49 am to Brett425
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Recruiting isn't built in.
yes it is.
Why do you think we have the top recruiting class coming off of 2 shitty seasons?
Now a few more like those, and it definitely wont be built in like it is now.
As it is, you have kids like Jarvis Landry(one of our top players for 2011, if you didnt know), publicly stating that he does not like what he sees from our offense at this point.
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It is easier to fix the problems within than throw out the core (LM) and start over
Les Miles IS NOT the core of LSU. Get real dude.
LSU's "core" is playing in front of 92000 on Sat night. Competing for SEC and National championships. LSU's "core" is their top notch practice facilities, their student athletic center, etc.
You dont start over by getting another coach. If things keep going like they are, you will have to. If they take action sooner than later, a good coach(which we are sure to draw) can come in and hit the ground running.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 1:54 am to Brett425
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We got Chavis because TN fired their coach and he wanted his dad as his DC. He was there like 20 yrs. It shows what happens when you fire your Head Coach.
LSU is bigger than Les Miles, and certainly bigger than John Chavis.
you dont keep a shitty coach in hopes to retain your defensive Coor.
We dont know if he would leave, or be retained by a new coach. I doubt we hire a coach that wants to hire his dad in that position though, which obviously was a rare situation at Tenn.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 1:56 am to Brett425
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I have seen plenty of programs get rid of coaches. Then have to go through several losing seasons trying to find a right hire. I don't want to go through a re-building stage. Fixing key elements (OC) well allow this program to still grow. Wiping it clean will destroy many key elements. Hiring a new coach will mean him bringing his key assistants. A new system could destroy many winning elements already in place.
Kinda where I am at. The devil inside or the devil outside. Which one could be worse? I just don't see anyone who I think would be a slam dunk replacement that I think would come to the program, realistically. I hope Miles puts it all together, but I have little hope. To be fair, the only missing piece is the offense. A team with the defense, special teams and an improved offense could work around his coaching ineptitude.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 1:56 am to Lester Earl
look at the top CFB programs who fired a successful head coach:
Miami
won NC under Larry Coker in 2001 season
fired Coker in 2006 and hired Shannon
still haven't won a conference title since 2003
Nebraska
made it to NC game under Frank Solich in 2001
fired Solich in 2003 and hired Callahan then Pelini
still haven't won a conference title since 2001
Notre Dame
i think this is pretty self-explanatory
to sum up my point: be careful what you wish for
Miami
won NC under Larry Coker in 2001 season
fired Coker in 2006 and hired Shannon
still haven't won a conference title since 2003
Nebraska
made it to NC game under Frank Solich in 2001
fired Solich in 2003 and hired Callahan then Pelini
still haven't won a conference title since 2001
Notre Dame
i think this is pretty self-explanatory
to sum up my point: be careful what you wish for
This post was edited on 10/7/10 at 1:57 am
Posted on 10/7/10 at 1:57 am to Lester Earl
I don't know LSU would hire a top tier coach. I think they would go more for a 1.8 million hire. A young up and coming type coach. That could be a crap shoot. It could fail easily.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 1:59 am to Rohan2Reed
Exactly my worries.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 2:01 am to Brett425
I just hope the current staff can put it together. Some people get excited about a whole new staff, but it is a f'kin gamble that may or may not pay off. Honestly, unless LSU loses 5 of their next seven, and gets embarrassed in a bowl game this is all a moot point.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 2:04 am to RogerTheShrubber
If we lose 5 games, there will be changes made.
This post was edited on 10/7/10 at 2:11 am
Posted on 10/7/10 at 2:38 am to Brett425
Why do you people hate other people's opinions so much?
Do yall have to have EVERYONE agree with you??
HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE
Do yall have to have EVERYONE agree with you??
HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE
Posted on 10/7/10 at 5:01 am to BigAppleTiger
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Great insight into the game and all of it's components.
Could you list all of the components of football for me? I wanted to save them and tattoo them on my back like I would a list from God.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 5:55 am to Lester Earl
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He gave RP 3-4 chances and gave less important players none. What a great guy.
Given the importance of RP to the program, many top coaches (Meyer, Osborne, Stoops, Brown) would have kept him on the team until he was arrested and charged and maybe not even then (see Marcus Thomas).
Lester, we all know where you stand on Miles. You are also probably laboring under the delusion that there would be a line out the door to replace LSU firing a guy that has the highest winning percentage in LSU history.
I thought the article made some really excellent points. Great recruiter (the kids and their parents seem to love him), clean program, and a pretty strong staff. Some of his decisions, and his contrariness (like continuing to play JJ) are maddening, but I would rather the devil I know than the devil I don't know would come here.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 6:01 am to Lester Earl
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Recruiting isn't built in.
yes it is.
You are obviously under the age of 25, because, Curley and Mike Archer strongly disagree with this. Many of the top players in the state, including most of the marquee recruits, left to Fl. State, Michigan, and others until DiNardo got here and stopped most of the bleeding.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 6:28 am to Chris Warner
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The answer isn’t about firing Les Miles. It’s about getting him to make another change. Firing Miles would devastate the LSU Football program. Think Curley Hallman times ten. It would get really bad, as LSU would not be able to replace his recruiting acumen and win totals in the short, foreseeable future.
I agree, it could get bad. I think many ranters here believe that they could plug any coach back there and that coach would automatically be more competent than Les Miles.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 6:50 am to Brett425
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Recruiting isn't built in. Hiring a new coach almost always affects recruits. Looking at the recruiting classes, we have in place and the 2011 class coming in shows a prominent future for LSU Football. It is easier to fix the problems within than throw out the core (LM) and start over. The grass isn't always greener on the other side.
What was the drop-off in 2005-06 recruiting with the Miles hire? We could have kept going down-hill there, easy. Also the point was made about what recruiting was like here pre(and during)-DiNardo.
It is a giant "crap-shoot" and we could end up sucking (for real sucking). Evidence? RTR post: laundry list of "great" programs that this exact same thing has happened to when they fired their coach.
Fire GC at the end of this season. Miles will get another year in '11 (no matter what the rant says). I think he has been put on notice at this point. IMO the expectation to meet is to win an SECC within the next 2 years or face the firing squad.
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