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Freshmen OL and a freshman receiver lead LSU offense in first scrimmage
Posted on 8/6/17 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 8/6/17 at 12:37 pm
With injuries across the O-line, an LSU O-line made up of true freshmen and red-shirt freshmen were given starting roles, given the unenviable task of opening holes for running-backs and blocking against one of the top rated defenses in college football. The receiving corp for the offense was also led by a true freshman.
How well LSU's QB develops and gains confidence under such conditions remains to be seen. Current situation not necessarily the fault of coach O but it's still his job to somehow manage successfully. Even when injured LSU starters on the O-line return, they will not have the time to fully develop chemistry as a unit. And BYU will show LSU's O-line no mercy.
Orgeron knows he's got a problem, trouble is BYU knows it too. If LSU comes out of the opening game unscathed, much credit will go to the LSU coach and his staff for overcoming a huge hurdle.
How well LSU's QB develops and gains confidence under such conditions remains to be seen. Current situation not necessarily the fault of coach O but it's still his job to somehow manage successfully. Even when injured LSU starters on the O-line return, they will not have the time to fully develop chemistry as a unit. And BYU will show LSU's O-line no mercy.
Orgeron knows he's got a problem, trouble is BYU knows it too. If LSU comes out of the opening game unscathed, much credit will go to the LSU coach and his staff for overcoming a huge hurdle.
This post was edited on 8/6/17 at 5:35 pm
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Posted on 8/6/17 at 12:42 pm to TrueTigerTale
Solid post. I definitely agree with the last part. I'll be very happy with a win over BYU
Posted on 8/6/17 at 12:59 pm to TrueTigerTale
We'll see what happens but I assure you O will not get a bit of credit from many on here no matter what. If he can manage a 2 loss team with the depth issues that will say a lot about him as a HC.
I also think people are blowing this out of proportion. The injuries are likely minimal so why not let those guys rest up while letting your younger group get first team reps. Allow them to find chemistry now instead of during the season. Better to see what you have now then later. Make it a big deal to the team so that they compete like they are starters. Get the most out of them. No doubt we'll find out real soon.
I also think people are blowing this out of proportion. The injuries are likely minimal so why not let those guys rest up while letting your younger group get first team reps. Allow them to find chemistry now instead of during the season. Better to see what you have now then later. Make it a big deal to the team so that they compete like they are starters. Get the most out of them. No doubt we'll find out real soon.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 1:19 pm to BayouBengal99
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We'll see what happens but I assure you O will not get a bit of credit from many on here no matter what. If he can manage a 2 loss team with the depth issues that will say a lot about him as a HC.
LSU fans should be able to recognize good or bad coaching, since we live and breathe football here. However, delusional fans refuse to change their negative stripes, they expect perfection. No coach is perfect, not even Saban.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 1:40 pm to TrueTigerTale
There it is.. the obligatory mention of Saban in every freaking post.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 1:45 pm to BayouBengal99
quote:I agree with this 1000% and believe O is intentionally overstating it. The OL may have questions and clear lack of depth, but I guarantee at least 2/3 of the SEC head coaches wish they were in LSU's shoes concerning their Olines.
I also think people are blowing this out of proportion.
If the BYU game is truly close, it won't be bc of the Oline.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 1:49 pm to airfernando
Wasn't he recruiting cooordinator before becoming head coach?
Posted on 8/6/17 at 1:54 pm to airfernando
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If the BYU game is truly close, it won't be bc of the Oline.
I disagree.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 1:55 pm to TrueTigerTale
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Current situation not necessarily the fault of coach O but it's still his job to somehow manage successfully.
Please elaborate or are you just positioning for 8-4?
Posted on 8/6/17 at 2:21 pm to TrueTigerTale
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Orgeron knows he's got a problem, trouble is BYU knows it too.
I think if there is no further attrition we will be okay. Orgeron and Grimes have no choice but to give the young guys lots of reps and not just because of saving the starters while they overcome the "nicks".
It's good that they're going against the ones to gain some experience. I would imagine that you will see O and Grimes mix and match quite a bit in the three remaining scrimmages.
Survive BYU (we will) and we get a week against Chattanooga to iron out the wrinkles.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 2:28 pm to Tiger1988
No matter what you idiots keep saying, O is going to be given his fair shake in building up what was lacked from the previous coach.
He's done it for the DL and LB position so why couldn't he for the OL? LSU could also see games where we compete our butts off but still come up short. These types of games will not affect recruiting IF these recruits see LSU improving in all phases.
Miles got in trouble because our fans saw that LSU could be doing much more especially on offense but some in the ST area, and clock management area as well.
If fans and recruits a like feel that LSU is now doing everything it can in these areas but are coming up short simply because we are missing guys like them in that phase of the team then it WILL have the opposite affect IMO.
Games looking something like this;
LSU 24 Aub 27
LSU 21 Bama 23
LSU 24 Tenn 26
With good stats or our team trying everything it can but we still come up short. It happens but as long as our team is playing at a high level our recruiting won't take a hit and will likely improve. Depends what the wins look like. If the team looks totally out witted and out played, it won't be long before he's gone. I have no reason to believe the latter.
He's done it for the DL and LB position so why couldn't he for the OL? LSU could also see games where we compete our butts off but still come up short. These types of games will not affect recruiting IF these recruits see LSU improving in all phases.
Miles got in trouble because our fans saw that LSU could be doing much more especially on offense but some in the ST area, and clock management area as well.
If fans and recruits a like feel that LSU is now doing everything it can in these areas but are coming up short simply because we are missing guys like them in that phase of the team then it WILL have the opposite affect IMO.
Games looking something like this;
LSU 24 Aub 27
LSU 21 Bama 23
LSU 24 Tenn 26
With good stats or our team trying everything it can but we still come up short. It happens but as long as our team is playing at a high level our recruiting won't take a hit and will likely improve. Depends what the wins look like. If the team looks totally out witted and out played, it won't be long before he's gone. I have no reason to believe the latter.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 2:33 pm to TrueTigerTale
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Current situation not necessarily the fault of coach O
It is 100% the fault of coach O. He inherited a team with about 16 offensive lineman. All of the attrition has occurred on his watch. It's his "fault" if the oline can't perform. Quit coddling O. We need to hold him to the same standard we held Miles to.
Would Saban have allowed all this oline attrition?
Edited to include obligatory Saban mention for ShreveportTiger1987
This post was edited on 8/6/17 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 8/6/17 at 2:37 pm to Tiger1988
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TrueTigerTale - Current situation not necessarily the fault of coach O but it's still his job to somehow manage successfully.
Please elaborate or are you just positioning for 8-4?
LSU's problem with the O-line is not O's doing, but it's still his job to fix. What should we consider a successful year coaching is still up in the air. Is that clear enough?
This post was edited on 8/6/17 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 8/6/17 at 2:42 pm to TrueTigerTale
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LSU's problem with the O-line is not O's doing
It depends on what you think the problem with the o-line actually is. The numbers problem absolutely happened on his watch. Now if you're asking something like why is Malone the best left tackle we have, then that would be on Miles.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 2:50 pm to TrueTigerTale
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LSU's problem with the O-line is not O's doing
How so? He couldn't convince guys that we could really use right now to stay. He also just let a two year starter walk. O couldn't get him to buy in, or at least do enough to stay eligible for one more semester, then go to the NFL.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 2:51 pm to Penrod
This is so freakn funny. How did he allow this to happen? What can he do about it? He didn't bring these guys over here.
Saban didn't do too hot in his first year at LSU or Bama so this notion that LSU fans will suddenly drop our standard for anyone makes you sound insecure.
Not one single person I've talked to has remotely conceded our status because of coach O being hired. They do however understand that Les Miles left us with holes to fill. We'll all see how the season plays out.
Saban didn't do too hot in his first year at LSU or Bama so this notion that LSU fans will suddenly drop our standard for anyone makes you sound insecure.
Not one single person I've talked to has remotely conceded our status because of coach O being hired. They do however understand that Les Miles left us with holes to fill. We'll all see how the season plays out.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 2:58 pm to BayouBengals18
It's very possible that he thought these guys were a cancer to our team too. It's possible that he let some of these guys go to protect the future of the team.
There's nothing in O's recent history that says its for lack of effort. The man obviously wants what's best for this team. The blame IMO goes to the person who brought them here not let them go or didn't have a choice in the matter. He sets rules, if you can't follow them, your out. That's goes for any job you will ever get and in life.
There's nothing in O's recent history that says its for lack of effort. The man obviously wants what's best for this team. The blame IMO goes to the person who brought them here not let them go or didn't have a choice in the matter. He sets rules, if you can't follow them, your out. That's goes for any job you will ever get and in life.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 3:20 pm to BayouBengal99
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It's possible that he let some of these guys go to protect the future of the team.
Protect the future by playing with fire? We're another injury or two away from being in a really big predicament. We're down to 11 OL from 16. A third, or a whole line of depth, left on O's watch.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 3:22 pm to Tiger1988
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just positioning for 8-4?
They've been working on it for months. Finally found the excuse they'll stick with.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 3:26 pm to BayouBengal99
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It's very possible that he thought these guys were a cancer to our team too.
I've heard this angle a few times now. Fact is, not all starters in the SEC are going to be stand up individuals. Doesn't matter if they can play.
This is not vandy.
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