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Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:33 pm to 12Pence
Open handed or not he rocked that dude. The guy got up slow after that. Definitely stunned him.
Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:36 pm to BayouBlogger
Fournette's helmet jerked 45 degrees in 3 frames. The Florida player had his hands in Fournette's helmet. Just from the stills in the thread it is obviously a facemask.
Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:36 pm to DollaChoppa
He definitely touched the side of the helmet, possibly where the facemask attaches, but I maybe someone can clarify. Is this still the rule or did it change?
Face-Mask Foul (Rule 9-1-2-q). There is no longer a foul if any player grabs an opponent’s face mask without pulling, twisting, or turning it. The five-yard penalty has been eliminated. This change does not change the safety aspect of this rule. Pulling, twisting, or turning an opponent’s face mask remains a personal foul with a 15-yard penalty.
Face-Mask Foul (Rule 9-1-2-q). There is no longer a foul if any player grabs an opponent’s face mask without pulling, twisting, or turning it. The five-yard penalty has been eliminated. This change does not change the safety aspect of this rule. Pulling, twisting, or turning an opponent’s face mask remains a personal foul with a 15-yard penalty.
Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:38 pm to BayouBlogger
quote:
He definitely touched the side of the helmet, possibly where the facemask attaches, but I maybe someone can clarify. Is this still the rule or did it change?
If he pulls any part of the helmet, it is still a penalty.
It looks pretty clear to me, especially when coupled with the head turn
quote:
ARTICLE 8. a. No player shall continuously contact an opponent’s face, helmet
(including the face mask) or neck with hand(s) or arm(s) (Exception: By or
against the runner).
b. No player shall grasp and then twist, turn or pull the face mask, chin strap
or any helmet opening of an opponent. It is not a foul if the face mask, chin
strap or helmet opening is not grasped and then twisted, turned or pulled.
When in question, it is a foul.
This post was edited on 10/19/15 at 11:39 pm
Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:40 pm to inthebr
Fournette was also trying to direct himself downfield after initially angling toward the sidelines. Hitting the side of a helmet can change the angle of a person's head without pulling their face mask.
Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:50 pm to TigerBait1127
quote:
continuously contact an opponent’s face, helmet
(including the face mask) or neck
So that's where there is some interpretation involved. Was it long enough to be "continuously"?
quote:
It is not a foul if the face mask, chin
strap or helmet opening is not grasped and then twisted, turned or pulled
So there not only has to be a grasping but a subsequent twisting, turning, or pulling.
We really didn't see opposite things, I think we just interpret it slightly differently.
I thought there was at least a momentary "grasping" when I saw it in real time, but that's not enough.
I think there were a lot clearer penalties that weren't called, such as the interference in the end zone.
Personal foul calls should be fairly clear. That's just my opinion though. I'd rather calls like this not be made if it means that calls like the PF near the end of the Alabama game also aren't made.
This post was edited on 10/19/15 at 11:52 pm
Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:53 pm to BayouBlogger
quote:
I thought there was at least a momentary "grasping" when I saw it in real time, but that's not enough.
His head turned, which constitutes pulling at any level
His head went from right to left as a result of the contact.
quote:
Personal foul calls should be fairly clear. That's just my opinion though
But that isn't the rule:
quote:
When in question, it is a foul.
This post was edited on 10/19/15 at 11:58 pm
Posted on 10/20/15 at 12:00 am to 12Pence
quote:
Was that the same Florida defender from this TD run in 2014?
If so, he may still be embarrassed from his previous encounter with Fournette.
LINK
Either way, worth watching again.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 12:03 am to TigerBait1127
quote:
His head went from right to left as a result of the contact.
Again, that isn't the rule. It doesn't say "head turning as a result of the contact". If that's all it takes, then yes, that happened.
If you hit someone on the side of the helmet without grasping at all, that can change the angle, especially if you hit them on their left and they are also turning to the left.
quote:
When in question, it is a foul.
That doesn't really clarify it. If you see part of the requirement but not the other part, you just assume the other part happens? I don't think that's what that means.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 12:08 am to TigerBait1127
quote:
It is not a foul if the face mask, chin
strap or helmet opening is not grasped and then twisted, turned or pulled.
The rule wouldn't say that if the "when in question" part meant you should just assume the twisting, turning, or pulling took place.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 12:16 am to BayouBlogger
quote:
That doesn't really clarify it. If you see part of the requirement but not the other part, you just assume the other part happens? I don't think that's what that means.
You said this
quote:
thought there was at least a momentary "grasping" when I saw it in real time, but that's not enough.
He grasped the facemask and his turned immediately. That is easily within doubt and imo, was onviously a result of the grasp
I mean, that was the contact with his helmet. Physics doesn't allow the turning of his head by letting go
This post was edited on 10/20/15 at 12:17 am
Posted on 10/20/15 at 6:50 am to NC_Tigah
the most amazing thing is a REF standing there watching and not throwing a flag 
What was he looking at? What does he think he gets paid for?
Nothing changes until all non- Alabama universities in the SEC stand up and demand a change in the officiating.
Alabama sees no need for a change.
What was he looking at? What does he think he gets paid for?
Nothing changes until all non- Alabama universities in the SEC stand up and demand a change in the officiating.
Alabama sees no need for a change.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 7:22 am to BRgetthenet
Jose Vargas
Posted on 10/20/15 at 7:24 am to NC_Tigah
Marshawn did this to the saints on that run
Posted on 10/20/15 at 7:26 am to BayouBlogger
quote:It's okay Stevie. You're still a hell of a piano player.
Sorry, still don't see a facemask being grasped
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