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re: Ford & Benching Lee

Posted on 11/6/11 at 6:29 am to
Posted by AndyJ
Member since Jul 2008
2755 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 6:29 am to
Wait. So Ford has the hot hand, and you are confused why they put Ware in; but then Jefferson has the hot hand (or Lee had a cold one) and you can't figure out why they kept Lee out? Geez.
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
77395 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 6:32 am to
I would hardly say JJ had a hot hand
Posted by Soft_Parade
Member since Sep 2005
2502 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 6:35 am to
My point was that Lee not having the opportunity for redemption immediately after the first pick was a mistake. We need Lee to be successful to beat Arkansas.
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 6:36 am to
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but have to disagree on Lee. He was terrified in the pocket and needed to be benched. When a quarterback hurries his throws so he can turn almost completely around before getting hit, that is a bad sign that he is too scared to be in there. On the long bomb to Shepard by Jefferson, JJ stood strong in the pocket and delivered the pass with his feet planted even though he saw that he was about to get blasted. JJ needed to be in that game. Lee may have thrown at least a couple more interceptions if we wouldnt have had JJ to go to.


this. miles made the right move. if JJ had played the entire game, we would have scored more points; not many but more. JJ has weaknesses,the most notable is that he can't locate open receivers but in that game bama locked down our wr's (and we locked down theirs).
Posted by Nativebullet
Natchez, MS
Member since Feb 2011
5134 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 6:36 am to
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JL on the bench after his first int ruined his confidence


agree, i was thinking he was going to go 1 more series, then JJ would come in. We r going to need JL, just like we need JJ.

Ford, agree, he was patient and then exploded through the holes and took the end a few times. Looked great.
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
19809 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 6:38 am to
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Noted. In my opinion, the decision to keep JL on the bench after his first int may have saved his confidence to come back and win another day. Coach Miles did the right thing for the team in making that decision. JL is not shattered - he's made of stronger stuff than that. And the great thing is that JJ isn't shattered either. And he's been on the bench a lot longer this season than just a half.


I thought Les managed the game perfectly. He played about as conservative as possible and patiently waited on his D and special teams to make the big plays.
Posted by Weizenman
Reserve
Member since Oct 2007
2075 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 6:41 am to
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Lee would have threw that game away. I usually prefer Lee over Jeff, but Les made the right call in pulling him.



This is correct, I said at the beginning of the year when JJ was suspended, that the crux of our team is the defense. JL stepped up and did a bang up job at QB, but tonight in the face of the Bama defense, he looked lost. Les has molded this team as a team, he has many parts he changes in and out and so far has done a masterful job of getting us to the point where are now!! We are team LSU!!
Posted by PeaRidgeWatash
Down by the docks of the city
Member since Dec 2004
15210 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 6:42 am to
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the decision to keep JL on the bench after his first int may have saved his confidence



Excellent point. Could not agree more.
Posted by memphis tiger
Memphis, TN
Member since Feb 2006
20720 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 6:44 am to
Anyone questioning Miles decision regarding Lee and JJ last night is a complete fool. JJ wasn't perfect, but I feel confident that we would have scored EXACTLY zero points without Him last night. And I'll admit I was one who wanted him benched last year and was slightly relieved when he got suspended this year. We needed him last night and Les knew it. Sabah would not have made that decision.
Posted by Buck Magnum
Springdale
Member since Dec 2003
11613 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 6:45 am to
It was a good call to pull Lee, I think Les did the right thing.
Posted by NemesisKING
Member since Apr 2011
77 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 6:52 am to
If anything about the game disappointed me it was the play calling, lee played like lee against pressure, he broke and played with fear. I can't say I expected more based on how he plated against bama and other agressive defenses in the past.

What pissed me off is that you had so many chances to call plays off of what you were doing with JJ with option that it just looked like inept play calling from the past minus the stupid multiple formations when you stuck to just running, then to just straight drop backs or the shot gun.

They could have ran some play action on second and short yardage, they could have ran play action off of that option, where he starts it then he pulls it back for the pass. They could called some play action on that 3rd and short where ware got stuffed, the tight ends and ware could have all Bennett options.

If you gonna play JJ you have to mix it up with him, not just run or straight pass, sometimes pass while making them think you're gonna run him and run when you make them think you're gonna pass. Bootleg, but roll the whole pocket and give him the whole field, not just one guy like they do on there normal roll outs.

There are still games to be lost if you don't mix things up
Posted by Bayou
CenLA
Member since Feb 2005
36811 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 7:01 am to
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In my opinion, the decision to keep JL on the bench after his first int ruined his confidence. Let's hope he gets it back because we will need to score more than 9 points against Arkansas. Also, it was clear that Ford was having success. I do not know why they continued to test the middle with Ware when Ford was doing well on the edge.

I couldn't agree MORE. For our Offense to live up to it's potential and get the receivers into the game (we definitely their contributions) we need a confident Lee at the helm. Les is fricking up in that respect.
JJ's footwork and ability to offset the pressure last night had it's advantages but giving up on Lee wasn't the right call, IMO. You may as well remove the receiving corps from the equation then.
JJ's passing and pocket hesitation is not something we can endure from here on out now. We just sacrifice too many downs with JJ at the helm
Posted by bobad
Eunice, LA
Member since Aug 2007
388 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 7:01 am to
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JL is tougher than you give him credit for.


This.

JL knew he was benched because the ALA pass rush and defense are so good you just don't pass on them.
Posted by Bayou
CenLA
Member since Feb 2005
36811 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 7:02 am to
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He was terrified in the pocket and needed to be benched.

WOW!

The first INT resulted from Lee fumbling the snap and the ball was late getting there. Lee was able to quickly get his passes out which was key. You saw JJ hesitate and late in his throws which creates an absolute mess and then he has to scramble and hope for something positive.
We can not live on busted plays alone.
This post was edited on 11/6/11 at 7:06 am
Posted by memphis tiger
Memphis, TN
Member since Feb 2006
20720 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 7:11 am to
So you rather have kept JL in there and lose? Because that's what it sounds like. Miles has handled the qb situation perfectly and anyone complaining about how they were used last night probably cares more about "his guy" than the team.
Posted by lsu xman
Member since Oct 2006
15553 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 7:14 am to
Miles kept running ware with JL. Ware avg less than 2ypc yesterday.
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
63508 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 7:19 am to
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Other than Ford, the rest of the commentary is pure garbage.

The play calling is pure crap and does not set up a quarterback for success.

It's a miracle that we won but I'll certainly take. Every team has a tough outing and this was ours. You have to give credit to Bama's D.

You also have to say that Bama's play selection was better. Put Lee in Bama's offense and he has an opportunity for success.


What are you smoking this morning?

I like Lee, but he had a very bad outing and hurried throws into coverage on two successive possessions. Miles had to sit him. I have no idea what you're talking about when blaming the play calling.
Posted by forhisglory
down yonder La.
Member since Dec 2006
25 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 7:22 am to
He cannot put zip on the ball throwing off his back foot. This defense of bama was 2 steps faster than anything we faced this year. Not to see safties standing right there was not good either. As for a Ford, he had the speed to hit that corner and thats what we needed.
Posted by Maximus
Member since Feb 2004
81262 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 7:23 am to
Cant blame them for benching Lee. He looked like shite. But hopefully, they put him back in next week as starter since thats still our best offense against anyone not named Bama. I dont know if we will though since Les has just been waiting for any chance to get Lee out of there and play his baby JJ 100% of the time for the last 2 years.

The Ford thing is true also. You have success so of course you take him out and try to get Ware the glory TD. Its what cost Les the UK game in 07. He just refuses to let a backup RB outshine the starter. I would not be surprised at all to see Ford punished for playing well in this game and get 2-5 carries a game from here on out. Its par for the course for Les.
Posted by booky
covington
Member since Dec 2008
280 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 7:25 am to
Let's see..the Ala. QB threw two interceptions...did he get pulled...?? Hmm
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