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re: For those complaining about Maineri and his lack of bunting
Posted on 4/24/15 at 9:03 am to ell_13
Posted on 4/24/15 at 9:03 am to ell_13
quote:ARE YOU BLIND?
It is statistically better when trying to get a single run to bunt and have someone at 3rd with 1 out than someone at 2nd with none. It's from your link. Are you just trolling now?
quote:
bunt makes sense only in one situation: man on second, no one out, and a single run is the goal.
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Posted on 4/24/15 at 9:03 am to lsupride87
quote:
I would imagine it would lean even further away from bunting
no
Posted on 4/24/15 at 9:04 am to lsupride87
College is less offensive. Half the number of HRs/game. Lower runs/game. Fielding is worse so you would think a bunt would be more advantageous.
This post was edited on 4/24/15 at 9:05 am
Posted on 4/24/15 at 9:04 am to ell_13
quote:Are you kidding me? The whole freaking time you were arguing the "one run scenario." Well, even in the one run scenario most situations lead to not bunting.
What was I wrong about?
Posted on 4/24/15 at 9:04 am to ell_13
quote:
College is less offensive. Half the number is HRs. Lower runs/game. Fielding is worse so you would think a bunt would be more advantageous.
yes
Posted on 4/24/15 at 9:06 am to ell_13
the bunt has worked time and time again for CPM when he does it....hit and run fails more often than not with this team.
i don't care about some MLB statistic. i am talking about LSU baseball in 2015
i don't care about some MLB statistic. i am talking about LSU baseball in 2015
Posted on 4/24/15 at 9:06 am to lsupride87
Wat?
In a one run scenario, you bunt with a man on 2nd and no outs. Period. I didn't argue anything else other than your original point was based on run TOTAL expectancy which isn't as relevant in this situation.
In a one run scenario, you bunt with a man on 2nd and no outs. Period. I didn't argue anything else other than your original point was based on run TOTAL expectancy which isn't as relevant in this situation.
Posted on 4/24/15 at 9:06 am to lsupride87
quote:
ARE YOU BLIND?
I don't know but I wonder if you can read.
Posted on 4/24/15 at 9:07 am to lsupride87
quote:
lsupride87
what do you think Garidel would have done in that situation?
Posted on 4/24/15 at 9:10 am to redfieldk717
quote:I would be very interested to see the stats from CPM career for scoring a single run in all scenarious. So you are of the opinion it would favor bunting in most situations and go agaisnt the MLB trend? I am fine with that opinion, hell, you maybe right. But that is you understanding that bunting has been shown not to be as effective, but you going outside the parameters to a specific team and coach. And I am cool with that
the bunt has worked time and time again for CPM when he does it....hit and run fails more often than not with this team.
i don't care about some MLB statistic. i am talking about LSU baseball in 2015
That is you understanding the data but realting it to your unique example. My issue and reason for starting the thread was the people that "YOU ALWAYS BUNT" "SITUATIONAL BASEBALL" that think it is the right play for baseball as a whole. Make sense? 
Posted on 4/24/15 at 9:10 am to redfieldk717
quote:Suicide squeeze, even with the runner on second
what do you think Garidel would have done in that situation?
Posted on 4/24/15 at 9:12 am to TigerCub
He started this thread to prove that bunting is NEVER the right move. Specifically, it was for people mad about the no bunt in the 6th.
I'm not okay with a hit and run there. Hale isn't that fast. Stevie hits popups and is a great bunter. Chi is on deck who's on fire. Tie game. 1 run could win it even at this point. I would bunt for that 1 run.
I'm not okay with a hit and run there. Hale isn't that fast. Stevie hits popups and is a great bunter. Chi is on deck who's on fire. Tie game. 1 run could win it even at this point. I would bunt for that 1 run.
Posted on 4/24/15 at 9:12 am to lsupride87
Posted on 4/24/15 at 9:12 am to lsupride87
quote:
Choupique you are exactly who I am taking about. Refuse to accept it. Why? Because it is something you grew up hearing?
Refuse to accept what? I hate giving up outs early in the game. I'm indifferent on bunting runners from first to second base (unless the batter at the plate has already bounced into 2 double plays in the game), but runners on 1st and 2nd base with 0 outs in a tie game on the back half of the game when batting in the bottom of the lineup is a bunting situation 100% of the time. If Brad Cresse and his .390 batting average with 25+ home runs ain't at the plate, you bunt!!!
This post was edited on 4/24/15 at 9:18 am
Posted on 4/24/15 at 9:12 am to TigerCub
quote:You said it is the correct play to bunt in the 9th with a runner on 1st.
I don't know but I wonder if you can read
quote:That is the incorrect play there"
Now if Fraley had been on 1B to lead off the 9th and he had done something like not have Foster bunt, then yeah I would have taken issue with that
Runner on 1st no outs: .433 to score a single run
Runner on 2nd 1 out: .411 to score a single run
Posted on 4/24/15 at 9:14 am to ell_13
quote:
He started this thread to prove that bunting is NEVER the right move. Specifically, it was for people mad about the no bunt in the 6th.
I'm not okay with a hit and run there. Hale isn't that fast. Stevie hits popups and is a great bunter. Chi is on deck who's on fire. Tie game. 1 run could win it even at this point. I would bunt for that 1 run.
That's just me personally. I wouldn't have bunted there. And who's to say they wouldn't have walked Chinea with 1B open.
Posted on 4/24/15 at 9:15 am to lsupride87
Your data is way flawed first off.
Its based on 1 year. 2003. An very offensive year for the MLB.
Secondly, the chances of scoring a run from that link
1st & 2nd 0 outs - 64.4%
2n3 & 3rd 1 out - 68.9%
Even if you have a runner at 1st and 0 outs - 43.3% compared to 41.1% with a runner at 2nd and 1 out. That's almost nil.
Way to flawed premise. Check out single run expectancy with multiple years of data. Not 1.
Its based on 1 year. 2003. An very offensive year for the MLB.
Secondly, the chances of scoring a run from that link
1st & 2nd 0 outs - 64.4%
2n3 & 3rd 1 out - 68.9%
Even if you have a runner at 1st and 0 outs - 43.3% compared to 41.1% with a runner at 2nd and 1 out. That's almost nil.
Way to flawed premise. Check out single run expectancy with multiple years of data. Not 1.
Posted on 4/24/15 at 9:16 am to ell_13
quote:Once we got into discussion, I said not bunting is the rule with certain exceptions. That started on page 3. Which is still the correct thought process. Have I been wrong about a few things in this thread? Yes. I can admit that as I dug further But the principle I posted is correct
He started this thread to prove that bunting is NEVER the right move. Specifically, it was for people mad about the no bunt in the 6th.
I'm not okay with a hit and run there. Hale isn't that fast. Stevie hits popups and is a great bunter. Chi is on deck who's on fire. Tie game. 1 run could win it even at this point. I would bunt for that 1 run.
Posted on 4/24/15 at 9:16 am to TigerCub
#TeamNoBunt
Posted on 4/24/15 at 9:17 am to josh336
quote:Link me to it. I am not trying to be dishonest. That was the only data I could find on single run expectancy
Way to flawed premise. Check out single run expectancy with multiple years of data. Not 1.
quote:I have already admitted there are certain situations to bunt. It is just less than times to not bunt
Secondly, the chances of scoring a run from that link
1st & 2nd 0 outs - 64.4%
2n3 & 3rd 1 out - 68.9%
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