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re: For everyone blaming CPM for pulling Bouman Sunday, please read this
Posted on 6/3/14 at 4:47 pm to moneyg
Posted on 6/3/14 at 4:47 pm to moneyg
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I'm saying that McCune has blown up multiple times in SEC play. The fact that he has pitched well at times doesn't change that fact.
My specific point (which I posted already) is the following:
The thought that McCune was less of a risk than Bouman who you just watched pitch 6 scoreless with ease is ridiculous.
Not when McCune had performed nearly perfectly over his last 3 outings covering 5 innings. Again, not saying it was a no brainer to put in McCune there. Simply saying it also wasn't a dumb move to do it.
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Posted on 6/3/14 at 5:32 pm to mylsuhat
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Posted on 6/3/14 at 5:35 pm to Mickey Goldmill
the move wasn't dumb. its debatable on if he should have made the move. The dumb part was letting McCune load the bases in the 8th and then pitch to the guy. All he had to do was pull McCune on the first hit of the inning or even the interference. Still his move to not put Fury in for Bugg was the worst of the weekend
Posted on 6/3/14 at 6:06 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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How did the 7th inning go with McCune? 10 pitches and faced the minimum...going to McCune was not the issue.
Leaving McCune in too long was the issue.
He didn't even look on in the 7th.. at all.. he got very fortunate/lucky to get that batter to bunt into a rare double play..
With your closer pretty well rested.. and a 4 run lead.. the 8th should have been pitching matchups to get to Broussard in the 9th.. or even go to Broussard in the 8th IF need-be IF those guys did struggle some. This was an incredibly important game.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 6:14 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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I can guarantee you it was heavily discussed and thought about as well. That doesn't mean he was panic striken. If they didn't have confidence in Bouman, they didn't have confidence in the kid. There's nothing else to it. You act like he took him out though and just sat there biting his nails saying OMG OMG OMG why did I do this?!?!
Dude you're talking about a panic attack. When I say he was panicked I don't mean something so extreme. All I'm saying is that when he ran scenarios in his head prior to yanking Bouman he got a little be panicked and made a bit of a rash decision. I think that when he started considering the possibility that he MAY give up 2 or 3 runs because the lineup was turning over he began to over analyze the situation and that's what led to the yank. I don't think he was running around the dugout crying hysterically or anything like that.
The reason I say this was his reaction to McCune walking the leadoff batter in the 7th. When they cut to Mainieri his reaction was much more intense than a leadoff walk warranted. I think he realized at that point he should have left Bouman in.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 6:22 pm to PurpleAndGold86
quote:Yes, this is my point. CPM is apparently OK with letting him face the meat of the order for the third time, but not the bottom half of the lineup? Sorry, but I don't follow that.
No, and he did face the first four hitters for the third time in the game on Sunday as he faced 22 hitters.
In any event, I appreciate the discussion.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 6:32 pm to RB10
Ok gotcha. I'm glad because I envisioned you saying PM running around the dugout breathing in a brown bag, pulling his hair out regretting his decision to take the pitcher out
Posted on 6/3/14 at 6:34 pm to lsufanz
Well like I've said throughout, the decision itself can be debated til the cows come home and points can be made for each side without an ounce of doubt. But there is no doubt that the decision was made because he didn't want Bouman to face UH hitters again. Right or wrong...
Posted on 6/3/14 at 6:52 pm to mylsuhat
This whole conversation would of come eventually so.... On to next year. We may have made it to the CWS may not have but I don't think we had the arms to make it deep anyway. Just going to have to wait until that time comes and it wasn't this year.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 7:02 pm to mylsuhat
You don't pull a guy in that situation. He only threw around 60 pitches.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 7:18 pm to PurpleAndGold86
i don't think pm ever gets his blood pressure that high
Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:45 pm to rlanders23
HIS COACH-WHO SEES HIM PITCH DAILY
Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:46 pm to mylsuhat
What does any of this matter? It's the regionals. He should have stayed in , that's it.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:54 pm to More beer please
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You are exactly right, he stuck with some formula instead of feeling it out. That's where i think he messed up. Bouman went 5 and bumped it up to six innings...why is that the magical cut off number?
I agree- but the fact remains, there was nothing to indicate Bowman was tired or falling off his game Sunday- he had UH in check, nothing to suggest otherwise- unless Bowman himself asked PM to pull him, this loss is on PM.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:10 pm to mylsuhat
bullshite. Your starter is dealing after 6 in the postseason. This isn't some random game. If your managing by "formula", that's a problem.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 10:26 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Not when McCune had performed nearly perfectly over his last 3 outings covering 5 innings
Does that include the A&M game when he gave up 4 hits in a single inning and took the loss?
Posted on 6/4/14 at 6:25 pm to mylsuhat
You missed the point. During the season, its OK to do that stuff. In the regionals, you stick with the hot hand.The kid was in the middst of a 2 hit shutout with a 4-0 lead. He should have at least been allowed to start the 7th based on his perofrmance. CPM could have had McCune and Fury or maybe even Broussard warming if Bauman got into trouble. The ESPN commentators were syaing the same thing. Pitch count means nothing at that point. Hell, Houston's guy threw 200 pitches between Friday and Monday.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 6:37 pm to mylsuhat
I would have left him in, but CPM has forgotten more than I ever knew about BB.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 9:54 am to GoGeauxGaux
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Bouman was pitching well, but since he hasn't had an outing longer than 6 innings, I was perfectly fine with us making the switch.
He hasn't gone longer than 6 innings because CPM has a rigid formula for him.
Good grief, if a guy is pitching very well with a low pitch count, let him keep going to see how he can do. Maybe Bouman can go 7 innings, or 8, or 9. If he starts to struggle, bring in a reliever. But give the hot hand a chance.
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