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FBI investigation, NCAA, and Wade
Posted on 3/16/19 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 3/16/19 at 1:52 pm
Some things are repeated a lot in here, so I want to put them out there and try to advance the discussion a little deeper.
1. Why is it unwise for Wade to talk with LSU prior to end of FBI investigation into Dawkins? If the issue is the NCAA being present, couldn’t Wade publicly insist for a meeting with ONLY Alleva to show good faith and reassure LSU fans he has nothing to hide? It would go a long way I think for a lot of people.
2. The transcript of the “strong-arse offer” conversation between Wade and Dawkins. Is there a full transcript of this conversation? If so, does LSU have access to this transcript or is their knowledge based solely on the CBS article? Does LSU’s administration have access to trial transcripts where this was discussed? Is the recording publicly available for analysis of veracity? Who has actually listened to this recording?
3. NCAA investigation and LSU’s responsibility to investigate the alleged remarks. Does LSU have the responsibility to investigate allegations made in media stories? Does the NCAA?
4. Where is LSU’s compliance department in all of this? Isn’t it their job to look at family bank accounts, athletes’s perks, etc.? How could something big like this is alleged to be totally escape their scrutiny?
1. Why is it unwise for Wade to talk with LSU prior to end of FBI investigation into Dawkins? If the issue is the NCAA being present, couldn’t Wade publicly insist for a meeting with ONLY Alleva to show good faith and reassure LSU fans he has nothing to hide? It would go a long way I think for a lot of people.
2. The transcript of the “strong-arse offer” conversation between Wade and Dawkins. Is there a full transcript of this conversation? If so, does LSU have access to this transcript or is their knowledge based solely on the CBS article? Does LSU’s administration have access to trial transcripts where this was discussed? Is the recording publicly available for analysis of veracity? Who has actually listened to this recording?
3. NCAA investigation and LSU’s responsibility to investigate the alleged remarks. Does LSU have the responsibility to investigate allegations made in media stories? Does the NCAA?
4. Where is LSU’s compliance department in all of this? Isn’t it their job to look at family bank accounts, athletes’s perks, etc.? How could something big like this is alleged to be totally escape their scrutiny?
Posted on 3/16/19 at 2:02 pm to Hoguester
On # 2, nobody has access to the tapes or the transcripts except the FBI and the parties to the criminal case (US attorney and defendants). If those tapes are not admitted at the second trial (and I do not think they will be), the NCAA will likely never have access to the tapes.
The only reason it came is because the defense attorneys leaked parts of the tapes to Yahoo.
No it is not publicly available and will only be so if it is admitted at trial or produced under FOIA request (not likely to happen).
The only reason it came is because the defense attorneys leaked parts of the tapes to Yahoo.
No it is not publicly available and will only be so if it is admitted at trial or produced under FOIA request (not likely to happen).
This post was edited on 3/16/19 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 3/16/19 at 2:04 pm to ellessuuuu
on #3 - i do not think we have rights to look @ player family bank accounts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 2:07 pm to ellessuuuu
quote:
The only reason it came is because the defense attorneys leaked parts of the tapes to Yahoo.
How is he not held accountable for that?
Posted on 3/16/19 at 2:08 pm to Hoguester
4. Bo Bahnsen is a douchebag.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 2:09 pm to TIGER62
I would think some things are voluntarily provided, although I may be wrong. Similar to an employer requiring access to social media accounts.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 2:11 pm to Red Stick Tigress
See? I thought this guy was a real stickler for following the rules. If there was something happening, shouldn’t this guy have found some type of clue already?
Posted on 3/16/19 at 2:12 pm to Hoguester
quote:
couldn’t Wade publicly insist for a meeting with ONLY Alleva
I imagine Alleva and Wade have been talking through this entire process. I cant even blame Alleva for anything anymore I'm convinced hes not allowed to make decisions on anything.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 2:12 pm to Hoguester
1) The less Wade says the better position he’s in to defend himself if litigation heads his way following his April testimony. A meeting with your boss is fine, but when your boss invites the NCAA in, it becomes less of a meeting with your boss and more of a Kangaroo Court where you’re on trial for your job with no defense attorney or jury. If there’s anyone in this scenario putting LSU fans at unease, it’s the athletic department for being too aggressive with how they’re handling the situation
2) The only parts of the tapes anyone has access to were leaked by the defense attorney, thus LSU has no real reason to start a heavy handed investigation (read: witch hunt) when there’s nothing to investigate yet
3) Nobody has any obligation to investigate based on purely media reports. There has to be a better reason to do so first. Something like the full tapes that nobody has access to.
4) The compliance department can’t necessarily investigate things they don’t know about. It’s not like they have PIN numbers to player’s personal bank accounts. Things get missed.
I hope that clears things up because it’s obvious to everyone paying attention that F King and Alleva are embarrassing the university with this frog show
2) The only parts of the tapes anyone has access to were leaked by the defense attorney, thus LSU has no real reason to start a heavy handed investigation (read: witch hunt) when there’s nothing to investigate yet
3) Nobody has any obligation to investigate based on purely media reports. There has to be a better reason to do so first. Something like the full tapes that nobody has access to.
4) The compliance department can’t necessarily investigate things they don’t know about. It’s not like they have PIN numbers to player’s personal bank accounts. Things get missed.
I hope that clears things up because it’s obvious to everyone paying attention that F King and Alleva are embarrassing the university with this frog show
Posted on 3/16/19 at 2:13 pm to Hoguester
1) Anyone Wade speaks to can get a subpoena and be forced to testify as to what Wade said. Any recordings or notes can face the same. The defense has a motive to hurt anyone and everyone.
2) should get released after the trial.
3) it seems like the NCAA is investigating.
4) I don't think compliance can force anyone to reveal bank statements, especially players.
2) should get released after the trial.
3) it seems like the NCAA is investigating.
4) I don't think compliance can force anyone to reveal bank statements, especially players.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 2:23 pm to Hoguester
quote:I think it is unwise on several fronts. And while not "illegal" to attend that meeting, it is still unwise.
1. Why is it unwise for Wade to talk with LSU prior to end of FBI investigation into Dawkins? If the issue is the NCAA being present, couldn’t Wade publicly insist for a meeting with ONLY Alleva to show good faith and reassure LSU fans he has nothing to hide? It would go a long way I think for a lot of people.
1. The presence of a 3rd party (NCAA) complicates matters regarding 'private', 'privileged', 'public', and 'subject to subpoena' .
2. I'd want to hash things out with my employer first before having the NCAA there. And the meeting was scheduled; Wade planned to attend. Then canceled/rescheduled for the NCAA to be in attendance. If wary of a setup, that's going to scare Wade right there. It's a clear indication who the 'partners' are. LSU says 'you come meet with US (LSU & NCAA)', not 'WE (LSU & Wade) should meet with them'. Admin decided which side of the table everybody was on; and Wade was going to be alone on his side.
3. One thing the Feds absolutely love to do is investigate defense witnesses. If they can find any dirt on you, you get prosecuted even if a lower class felony. Why? It can discredit any testimony (Wade was on defense's witness list) you have or might have. Anything said in that meeting that was not in line with possible testimony is a potential perjury trap, which because he is a defense witness the Feds would be all over. That issue is compounded by the presence of the NCAA AND the fact LSU indicated they partnered with the NCAA and not their employee. Either party, NCAA or LSU, could easily volunteer minutes or affidavit to Feds to possibly setup the perjury trap. There was no limit to questions granted as requested, with a 3rd party there, any lawyer is going to say hell no.
quote:Under the NCAA's collective bargaining agreement LSU and they both share investigative responsibility. It's like many licensed professions (real estate, lawyer, etc.) where a duty lies with LSU to rat on itself or anyone else. Neither LSU or NCAA, unlike the court, have to have a crime to investigate. They can investigate anything they want, when they want. Neither, especially the NCAA, requires proof either; they can act on reasonable inference (those tapes) or strong/overwhelming suspicion. LSU has to worry about violation of contracts in its definition of "reasonable", the NCAA not so much.
3. NCAA investigation and LSU’s responsibility to investigate the alleged remarks. Does LSU have the responsibility to investigate allegations made in media stories? Does the NCAA?
quote:LOL, for a while there they were driving the car. You don't think Bohansen would rather partner with Wade than the NCAA do you? Hell no, his deference (not loyalty) is to the NCAA. To our compliance department the NCAA is the partner, both LSU and it's coaches/departments are the subject against which they are partnered.
4. Where is LSU’s compliance department in all of this? Isn’t it their job to look at family bank accounts, athletes’s perks, etc.? How could something big like this is alleged to be totally escape their scrutiny?
Posted on 3/16/19 at 2:25 pm to mmcgrath
1) Wouldn’t that fall under the definition of hearsay which is inadmissible in court?
Posted on 3/16/19 at 2:29 pm to I20goon
Very thorough and informed responses. Thank you.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 2:37 pm to Hoguester
quote:I think many here are failing to see this from one very common and simple angle...
1. Why is it unwise for Wade to talk with LSU prior to end of FBI investigation into Dawkins? If the issue is the NCAA being present
Consider this:
Wade goes to that meeting. NCAA is present. FKA asks if he ever gave money to a recruit. Wade responds: Yes, you told me to. You told me to gather money from the top 20 boosters and give it to him. I've been doing that since I arrived here, and you all knew about it the whole time.
Boom: LOIC- lack of institutional control
LSU and those who demanded that meeting could've put their own asses in a sling if Wade decided you know what, I can do my own scorched earth too.
If he had decided that he felt setup & scapegoated with the NCAA he could have very well set the table for LOIC and possible death penalty.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 2:42 pm to I20goon
So, why not insist (and do it publicly) on meeting mano-a-mano with Alleva, no recording devices, no lawyers, no NCAA? Then Alleva can either defend or argue against Wade’s continuation as Lsu’s Head coach to the BOS. Why wouldn’t this work? Everything said would be considered hearsay in court.
This post was edited on 3/16/19 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 3/16/19 at 2:48 pm to Hoguester
quote:
1) Wouldn’t that fall under the definition of hearsay which is inadmissible in court?
Hearsay would be testifying to what Wade said someone else said. Testifying to what Will Wade said to you would not be hearsay.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 2:53 pm to I20goon
On 4., I’d like to know what compliance has access to with regard to the players, ie financial, academic, etc in order to ensure compliance.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 2:54 pm to Hoguester
quote:
nothing to hide
Found the fatal flaw in your discussion.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 2:59 pm to mdomingue
Maybe, but the prosecutor would have to prove he made the statement to Alleva and sans a recording device, difficult to do, especially if Wade denies.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 3:06 pm to Hoguester
quote:
FBI investigation, NCAA, and Wade
I find it odd the NCAA is so interested in anything Wade has to say but the FBI isn't. The thought that all this bribery and fraud and money exchanging hands did not involve someone with the NCAA itself is something I find doubtful. I believe there may be a lot more names to come out of this once the FBI is done with the individuals and the universities involved. Maybe someone within the NCAA knew of all this and was getting money to keep a lid on it. Maybe the NCAA knows less than I thought. Maybe the FBI is keeping them in the dark because there are individuals in the NCAA involved?
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