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Expectations on Orgeron's Start with LSU

Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:07 am
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:07 am
Taking a look at the past three LSU Coaches.

First 3 years:
Dinardo: 7-4 , 10-2, 9-3 (26-9)
Saban: 8-4, 10-3, 8-5 (26-12)
Miles: 11-2, 11-2, 12-2 (34-6)

Miles probably has the biggest advantage of having the team stacked when took over. I'd say Coach O's team moving forward is maybe a bit less than Miles had taking over. I'd say expectation should be minimum of inbetween what Dinardo and Saban did.

If Coach O loses 5 games, that's an immediate hot seat.

Looking at the 4th years of coaches above:
Dinardo: 4-7 (arguably should have been fired after this year)
Saban: 13-1 NC
Miles: 8-5

First 4 year overall records:
Dinardo: 30-16
Saban: 39-13
Miles: 42-11

Saban rebounded with a terrific year after his worst. Coach O loses 6 games, immediate firing IMO. No excuses, we have too much talent.

First 2 years: Saban lost 7 games, that's a worst case minimum for O. Saban had to completely rebuild, O has to rebuild but in a less severe way. We're losing a lot this year but not enough to justify losing 8 games next 2 years.
Posted by The Ostrich
Member since May 2009
2541 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:09 am to
undefeated with the highest powered offense in first year or bust
Posted by L5UT1ger
Member since Feb 2004
2599 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:09 am to
O will be fired unless he wins all the games.

No, he can lose to Alabama. Thats ok.

Well, Alabama and Florida. Then its alright.
Posted by Salmon
On the trails
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:09 am to
My expectations are the by year 2, LSU will be a top 5, elite team in contention to make the playoffs at the end of the year

That is why we fired Miles, right? To be elite?

Posted by camplsu
Section 210
Member since Feb 2007
1527 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:10 am to
quote:

My expectations are the by year 2, LSU will be a top 5, elite team in contention to make the playoffs at the end of the year

That is why we fired Miles, right? To be elite?


Spot on
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
73466 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:11 am to
Half the rant already wants to fire him.
Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
166135 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:11 am to
quote:

That is why we fired Miles, right? To be elite?


I'd say you better have a NC contending team every 3-4 years. So within O's 3-4 years, he better have about a top 4 finish in the country. Sprinkle in with mostly 2-3 maybe a 4 loss season here and there.
Posted by jptiger2009
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2009
9616 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:11 am to
expectations remain the same at LSU considering their talent.

Beat Alabama
Win West
Win SEC Championship
Compete for a Natty
Posted by bwallcubfan
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2007
38119 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:18 am to
BYU - W
Chattanooga - W
Mississippi St. - W
Syracuse - W
Troy - W
Florida - W
Auburn - L
Ole Miss - W
Alabama - L
Arkansas - W
Tennessee - W
Texas A&M - W

I predict 2 losses next year...3 tops. Anything worse than that and he's on the hot seat.

And he should improve in year 2. That's what I'm expecting.
This post was edited on 11/28/16 at 11:28 am
Posted by Chad504boy
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:19 am to
quote:

3 tops. Anything worse than that and he's on the hot seat.

And he should improve in year 2. That's what I'm expecting.


I'd say fairly reasonable. 5 losses is a no brainer hot seat like bet your arse you got 1 year to severely improve.
Posted by teampick
Member since Jan 2015
2400 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:21 am to
Win the bowl game this season, hire competent coordinators, reel in a top 5 recruiting class, be competitive in every game next season and finish in the top 10. Repeat. If failing to do that is anything but an anomaly, you should not be coaching LSU.
Posted by Jthomley
Arkansas
Member since Oct 2013
379 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:29 am to
Is there 5 road conf games next year? That will be a tuff schedule if true.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66350 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:30 am to
quote:

'd say Coach O's team moving forward is maybe a bit less than Miles had taking over.

O probably has more talent than Les did

O's 1st team class ranks

Freshmen 17- 5th
Sophomores 16 - 3
Juniors 15- 6
Seniors 14 - 2

Average - 4

Les's First Team Class Ranks

Freshmen 05 - 13
Sophomores 04 - 3
Juniors 03-3
Seniors 02-21

Average 16.75

We will have a VERY talented team next year, but it will be thin at LB.
Posted by Brazos
Member since Oct 2013
20355 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:32 am to
O should be held to the exact same standards as Jimbo or Herman if they were here. Just bc you went cheap doesn't mean you should be ok with cheap results.
Posted by tgerb8
Huntsvegas
Member since Aug 2007
5963 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:37 am to
quote:

Miles probably has the biggest advantage of having the team stacked when took over. I'd say Coach O's team moving forward is maybe a bit less than Miles had taking over.


The year that Miles took over and the previous 3 years included recruiting classes ranked 21, 3, 3, and 13. Average of 10th.

The same for O is (currently) 5, 3, 6, 2. Average of 4th.

But then again.. Saban was probably focusing on linebackers and linemen (where we're obviously lacking) and Miles had been focusing (or at least capitalizing) on skill positions where we are stacked.

SammyTiger pretty much posted this exact same thing two above.
This post was edited on 11/28/16 at 11:38 am
Posted by CheerWhine
A little bit of Mardi Gras
Member since Apr 2014
72411 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:38 am to
quote:

Is there 5 road conf games next year?


Yes, due to the Florida switch.

Home: Auburn, Arkansas, A&M
Road: Miss St, Florida, Ole Miss, Bama, Tennessee
Posted by bwallcubfan
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2007
38119 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:38 am to
Losing Beckwith, Adams, and Tre White will hurt. But I trust Aranda will be just fine.
Posted by Superior Pariah
Member since Jun 2009
8457 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:39 am to
If he goes 3 and out on the first drive he should be fired immediately
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33793 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:39 am to
I'll be very interested to see how O has his guys playing in the bowl game.
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:40 am to
Undefeated and 3 championships in 3 seasons,

Sincerely,

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