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Tiger Voodoo
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Tim Couch and Quincey fricking Carter


2 NFL QBs including a #1 overall pick

But yes frustrating loses, very disappointing season.







I get that.

To me, the UGA loss was just one of the toughest losses I'd ever stomached at that point. Given the high expectations and ranking at the time.

Everything that the 03 Georgia game was, I hoped that 98 game was going to be for the program.

But UGA was a good team. It sucked, but we could have bounced back. But then Kentucky just really brought the dose of reality that we were just not good. Couch was good, that team was not.

Those two stick out to me just because they were the realization.

By the time Ole Miss, ND, and Arkansas were skull dragging that defense up and down the field I was numb to it at that point
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losing Morris Watts as OC was huge also. 1999 was a horrible offense


98 was the most disappointing year. LSU returned a lot of good players from the 97 team (McFarland, Faulk, Tyler, Mealy, Foster, Booty) and were ranked in the top 10 to start the season along with being picked to win the SEC West. The offense was still able to put points on the board, but Tepper was an absolute disaster. I remember the helpless feeling watching LSU play UGA knowing that LSU could not stop Quincy Carter later. It was a scene that repeated itself all year.

Rarely can you point to one specific man to say "he" was the root of all the problems, but it's hard to say Tepper wasn't. LSU was trending up over the previous two years and 98 looked from all outward appearances to be the year they seriously competed for the SEC title. The pieces were in place except for Tepper.


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Dinardo, as I remember it, was on staff at Colorado when they won the title with Kordell Stewart


Kordell was after Dinardo, and he was QB when Neuheisel took over as OC. Neuheisel's offense was totally different than the I-bone Gerry had run, lotta single back with 2-3 WR.

thankfully, Gerry didn't try the I-bone at LSU (except in goal line), which was the one thing I was worried about when he was hired. shout out to Mo Watts.


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re: Dinardo Hiring Process
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Dinardo basically got the job the same way Les Miles did. After everybody else had passed, he was the one who wanted the gig.



add orgeron to that list as well..


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Ace Midnight
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Which is why "too loyal" may not be the right term. But having "too much faith" in Tepper certainly was.


Probably both. Getting a quality DC who knew WTF he was doing after the '98 season might have gotten us a winning season in '99 - probably enough to give Dinardo another couple of seasons. And he was an excellent recruiter.


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re: Dinardo Hiring Process
Pat Sullivan was on LSU's radar at the time. He had a large buyout that he wanted LSU to take care of. LSU refused and went with Dinardo. Dinardo also had a buyout with Vandy, but he told LSU that he would work it out himself.

"Tales From the LSU Sidelines" by Lee Feinswog has a great story about Dinardo's hiring.


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Agree to disagree, without that disaster, you don't get Kevin Faulk and many other great players.


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boxcarbarney
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Joe Dean and several BOS met with Saban and his agent in Memphis


At Sean Tuohy's house, no less.


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lsufball19
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No he did not. Saban could take this years LSU team and win a Natty.

Saban won an SEC Title with Dinardo's players, so yes, he did. I never said our talent then was as good as it is now. But thank you for taking that leap


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Lebowski
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re: Dinardo Hiring Process
Sullivan's buyout was not large at all $400k. Mice nuts.

So much bad and wrong info in this thread.


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boxcarbarney
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Sullivan's buyout was not large at all $400k. Mice nuts. So much bad and wrong info in this thread.

$400k not large in 1994? Considering that Dinardo's first year salary was around $245,000 after radio and TV appearances, I'd say $400k was a lot. But you seem to know everything, and afterall $400,000 is just mice nuts to you, so please, enlighten us on how bad the info is in this thread.


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Dinardo literally and figuratively brought back "The Magic" and laid the foundation upon which Saban and Miles won championships.


I'll give him credit for the "Magic" but not for any kind of revisionist history about Dinardo laying a foundation for Saban & Miles. Dinardo's last 2 years he was increasingly paranoid and detached. There was a strong "rumor" at the time - I heard it from 2 players - that as the losses mounted Dinardo would prepare for games using old CU film. Like, "Look what Nebraska did to CU in 84' that's how we'll play Auburn". I remember Hanny on the radio talking about how divided the locker room was but it was odd because the players all defended Lou Tepper. When Saban got here LSU had something like 60 players on scholarship. Dinardo had mind fricked the remaining players so bad Saban brought in a sports psychologist.
If anything Dinardo gave the fans a taste if past glory but it was Saban & Emmerret who built the foundation.


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Getting a quality DC who knew WTF he was doing after the '98 season might have gotten us a winning season in '99 -


Maybe if he hired a better DC after 97 season he would have had a winning season. That 98 team still had a great offense. But the 99 was just not a good team at all. One thing Gerry himself has mentioned is that at Vandy he had academic restrictions which limited his recruiting but he went overboard in the other direction at LSU. As a consequence he "signed" some highly ranked classes but a decent number didn't pan out or never made it in to school. By 99 the roster was frankly to thin. A fair bit below the max allowed.

That he left this stacked roster for Saban is a bit exaggerated He left some really good players. Bradie James, Rohan, Josh Reed but lacking critical depth.

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Saban won an SEC Title with Dinardo's players


It's past time for this "someone else's players" stuff to die. No one takes over a roster with zero scholarship players. Some leave behind more talent than others. Miles clearly inherited the best situation (by far) with Ogeron second. There were key players left over from DiNardo like I mentioned above, but Dabey was a much different player with Jimbo and Saban not to mention key contributors to the SEC title like Clayton, Daniels and of course Mauck. No chance DiNardo wins an SEC title that year.


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a decent number didn't pan out or never made it in to school.


After he was fired he blamed Louisiana high schools. Nobody made him sign guys with a 1.75 GPA & 15 ACT score.


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KiwiHead
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$400k not large in 1994? Considering that Dinardo's first year salary was around $245,000 after radio and TV appearances, I'd say $400k was a lot. But you seem to know everything, and afterall $400,000 is just mice nuts to you, so please, enlighten us on how bad the info is in this thread.


The buyout number was used as the excuse. Sullivan was all set to sign the contract and be announced as LSU's new coach. Sullivan actually had assurances that the 400K would not be a problem from Dean. Dean however, did not have the full approval by the BOS to go forward, namely Dr. Charles Cusimano who had a lot of influence over things back in the day.

When word got out over the radio that LSU was hiring Sullivan, Cusimano hit the roof. It was not that LSU did not want to shell out 400K on the buyout, it was that Cusimano did not want to spend 400K on Sullivan. Dean came very close to losing his job because of that. The only thing that saved him was that Jack Andonie was his very good friend and EWE went to bat for him privately.



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Ace Midnight
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He left some really good players. Bradie James, Rohan, Josh Reed


And Josh Booty, Brandon Winey, Lou Williams, Jarvis and Howard Green, Rob Royal, Toefield, Norman Lejeune, Dominick Davis -

There was legitimate SEC championship talent on the team. Give credit to Saban for getting them there in his second season, but it wasn't a miracle. It was good old fashioned hard work and willpower.


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re: Dinardo Hiring Process
why wasn't hal hunter given a look at head coach before saban took over?


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why wasn't hal hunter given a look at head coach before saban took over?


Career assistant - not sure he was even all that interested in the job. He's actually been in the pros since 2006 - coaching the OLine which he has done exclusively in his career, except a stint at the beginning as a LB/strength coach at William and Mary.


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re: Dinardo Hiring Process
He started with a good coaching staff and had us moving in the right direction for a while. Then when some of his assistants moved on he did not replace them with quality coaches. That is what led to his downfall. To a certain extent, the same thing can be said about Miles.


Ace Midnight
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He started with a good coaching staff and had us moving in the right direction for a while. Then when some of his assistants moved on he did not replace them with quality coaches. That is what led to his downfall. To a certain extent, the same thing can be said about Miles.


I can't disagree with this - although Miles was much, much more successful over a much greater (triple, really, if you count Dinardo's first 3 years as successful) span. When you consider that LSU has had 10 Top 5 finishes in ~80 years, Miles led 4 of them, Dietzel 3, with Moore, Archer and Saban each having 1 - that's a pretty historical level of success - and he did it over his first 7 seasons before an almost inevitable decline the last 5 - and still hold a 77% winning percentage over that time.

Just his OOC record remains astonishingly good in LSU history.


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