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re: Did the Bama win last year convert Miles skeptics?
Posted on 7/30/11 at 1:17 pm to golf teaching pro
Posted on 7/30/11 at 1:17 pm to golf teaching pro
quote:No, you're correct. Ranked 16th > 8th.
Ask yourself this one simple question all you koolaid drinkers, is the program as good as it was when Saban left?
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Posted on 7/30/11 at 1:50 pm to Tiger Ugly
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Tiger Ugly
That's a reasonable post and I can understand your concerns. I think most sane/reasonable people saw some warning flags, so to speak.
The one thing I can't really get my head around is wrapping 08 and 09 together like we had the same results as in "trending down".
I never could see how increased wins in 09 from 08, being invited to a higher ranked bowl, going from 7th in the SEC to 3rd in the SEC, and going from no NR to being NR equated to the same trend.
Whatever the case, I think all LSU fans want another 10 win season, at least, another high profile bowl, and another Top 10 NR.
Oh, and another trip to the SECCG would welcomed as well.
Posted on 7/30/11 at 2:24 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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I never could see how increased wins in 09 from 08, being invited to a higher ranked bowl, going from 7th in the SEC to 3rd in the SEC, and going from no NR to being NR equated to the same trend.
From my perspective Lonnie, while 9-4 is better than 8-5 record-wise I saw many of the same things that concerned me from an overall organizational and leadership perspective, and seeing them two years in a row in my view constituted a troubling trend. Plus just an old fashioned eye-test for me, 2009 while record-wise many programs would be pleased that was about as ugly a 9-4 as I cared to see. I can remember very few highlight or endearing moments.
I can be more specific if you'd like to continue the discussion, but I didn't feel like we improved as a program from 2008 to 2009 despite the numbers you allude to.
Posted on 7/30/11 at 4:01 pm to Tiger Ugly
quote:In other words, stop confusing them with facts.
I didn't feel like we improved as a program from 2008 to 2009 despite the numbers you allude to.
Posted on 7/30/11 at 4:07 pm to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
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miles is simply on the wrong side of a phenomenon ive coined coaching perception. everytime nick saban loses a game, its "cant win em all." when miles loses, its b/c hes an idiot and doesnt know what hes doing. miles' haters would run him out of town if he went into the season as a unanimous preseason #1, only to lose 3 games and a 24 point lead against his rival, at home. its never nick sabans fault. ever. everyone still thinks mike stoops is going to turn arizona around. who cares its his 8th year there. youd never know it they way people talk about him. heres a tidbit- hes lost more games than hes won there. but people still believe hes a smart guy and a good football mind, despite the facts. butch davis is another guy whos always been bullet proof in reputation, despite only having 1 double digit win season in his college (and pro) career. miles is just too far down the bad road to make it back
Brilliant. Thanks for the analysis. Especially in reference to Saban's yeah last year. I will admit I'm still smarting from the Tiger's loss to Tennessee with the huge halftime lead some years ago. It remained as a bit of a stain to me on Miles for not making adjustments in the second half as Tennessee made great adjustments. But with Saban, no stain sticks. Strange perception.
Posted on 7/30/11 at 4:12 pm to Fishhead
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In other words, stop confusing them with facts.
We can all manipulate numbers to fit our purposes Fish, but for me 2009 was just wasn't very asthetically pleasing. It apparently was for you and I have no qualms with that. Just giving my honest take.
I wish only the best for our team in 2011. Geaux Tigers.
Posted on 7/30/11 at 4:27 pm to Tiger Ugly
It was far prettier than 2008. 2008 was horrendous from the start of SEC play until the end of the regular season.
The best game we played...we lost...in OT. At least in '09, we had a better defense and we played a complete game against AU.
And he didn't manipulate numbers. He presented them. They are factual...not manipulated.
The best game we played...we lost...in OT. At least in '09, we had a better defense and we played a complete game against AU.
And he didn't manipulate numbers. He presented them. They are factual...not manipulated.
This post was edited on 7/30/11 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 7/30/11 at 4:58 pm to Fishhead
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It was far prettier than 2008. 2008 was horrendous from the start of SEC play until the end of the regular season.
Well, Fish we did win one more game and didn't realy get blown out in 2009, like in 2008 so from that perspective I hear you.
But the same recurring penalties (receiver not covered,etc.), some selfish players at positions of leadership, trading a bad defense for an even worse offense, some of the same sideline organizational issues, curious running back rotations, those were things I saw as concerning trends that one more win in the bigger perspective did not make me feel better about going into last year.
I'm not asking anyone to agree with me nor am I saying I'm right and anyone else is wrong. Heck, I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again many times more.
I think you and Lonnie's factual representations are certainly reasonable.
Posted on 7/30/11 at 5:33 pm to BRtoATL
quote:Some of the reason for that is, people believe Saban will correct the miscues and they will not happen over and over. That doesn't seem to be the case with Miles. The same problems fans gripe about game after game never seem to get fixed.
But with Saban, no stain sticks. Strange perception
Posted on 7/30/11 at 5:56 pm to Tiger Ugly
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I can be more specific if you'd like
No, I think I get it....process and looks.
Nothing wrong with that approach.
Posted on 7/30/11 at 6:30 pm to Geert Hammink_43
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Some of the reason for that is, people believe Saban will correct the miscues and they will not happen over and over. That doesn't seem to be the case with Miles. The same problems fans gripe about game after game never seem to get fixed.
Oh for the love of mike, get a clue you people!
People have been complaining about Saban sitting on leads since he first came to Baton Rouge.
They're still complaining about it in Tuscaloosa.
Every coach has both good and bad points. Our present coach out-coached our old coach last year, badly.
Don't believe me? Check out what the Alabama beat writers had to say about last year's game:
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Miles outcoached Saban in the second half. I repeat. I did not stutter. Miles outcoached Saban in the second half.
Time and again, Miles pulled something unusual out of his hat, and Saban was left holding the bag.
There was the LSU fake punt. And the LSU reverse to the tight end on fourth-and-short. Not to mention the long LSU TD pass and the LSU two-point pass and the long LSU third-down conversion pass.
They all worked like a charm.
It just goes to show that scientists really have discovered the exact distance between genius and madness.
It's one Miles. Les Miles.
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It's sad when Alabama fans and sportswriters have a better appreciation of our coach than our own fan base.
Posted on 7/30/11 at 9:07 pm to GA Tiger
Yea but he has never lost to Troy or La. Monroe. Your a Meauxron.
Posted on 7/30/11 at 10:32 pm to LSU92
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Did the Bama win last year convert Miles skeptics?
Some were probably converted.
IMO, the win over Bama (Saban) coupled with the simulataneous demise of USC, Texas, and UF (all considered our primary competition nationally just a few years back) have catapulted Les's status in the eyes of many Tiger fans. And yet the Les before any of that is largely the same Les as now.
Posted on 7/30/11 at 10:35 pm to GA Tiger
I always believed that Les has some big wins in him.
He just has to let it out.
He just has to let it out.
Posted on 7/31/11 at 1:27 am to c on z
I will tell you what converted me if you can call it that. When Les got hired I was hopeful. He has been winning so I was fine with him. Did not and do not want him to leave.
Last year I fell of the Les Miles wagon for a few game when JJ kept getting worse and Lee kept coming in to save the day (tenn. then Fla. games). I was so pissed at Les at that point. Not for being a bad coach but for not allowing the obvious choice for starting qb get a chance. I felt like a HUGE injustice was being done to him and that made my blood boil.
But after that as the season came to a close I realized that the qb situation was actually handled pretty well. Lee wasn't better than JJ after all. Different yes, valuable yes. Without him we lose at least two more games. But Les made sound choices because he sees them every day not just on Saturdays like the rest of us.
Other than clock management Les does everything else right. Best head coach in college ball right now. Yes I said it.
Last year I fell of the Les Miles wagon for a few game when JJ kept getting worse and Lee kept coming in to save the day (tenn. then Fla. games). I was so pissed at Les at that point. Not for being a bad coach but for not allowing the obvious choice for starting qb get a chance. I felt like a HUGE injustice was being done to him and that made my blood boil.
But after that as the season came to a close I realized that the qb situation was actually handled pretty well. Lee wasn't better than JJ after all. Different yes, valuable yes. Without him we lose at least two more games. But Les made sound choices because he sees them every day not just on Saturdays like the rest of us.
Other than clock management Les does everything else right. Best head coach in college ball right now. Yes I said it.
Posted on 7/31/11 at 5:44 am to omegaman66
When u watch Sean Payton on the sideline u never doubt he isn't in tune with the entirety of the game. Now when u watch Les sumtimes u wonder if he knows how many timeouts we have. Lol But His flaws are overshadowed by the fact that he's a good honest man who has a passion to maintain LSU's greatness and mystique . He stands behind his players and always allows them the oppurtunity in close games to make the plays to win. Besides that wat other SEC coach would u rather sit down and have a beer with? Lol
Posted on 7/31/11 at 9:58 am to Ringo cockerham
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wat other SEC coach would u rather sit down and have a beer with?
How anyone can not like Miles/want to have a cold one with him is a mystery to me.
Any guy willing to make that film clip with his kids, is ok with me.
The fact he wins at a higher rate than any before him is just a wonderful bonus.
Posted on 7/31/11 at 10:10 am to GA Tiger
Of course it did. If you make it on "Broadway" you can make it anywhere. Beat Alabama again, and you have arrived my friend. 
Posted on 7/31/11 at 10:26 am to GA Tiger
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Based on the Bama win, all of a sudden Miles is solid.
False
Miles' greatest strength is also his greatest weakness. He coaches and runs the program by the seat of his pants. Games are exciting, and many times it works out. However, running a program by the seat of his pants does come with a downside as evidenced by the violations.
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